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This review is from: Seconds Out (Audio CD)
Am I the only one who thinks this album isn't much good? There are real problems with it - and the biggest is Phil Collins's vocal stylings.
I recall another critic saying that they sounded like a Genesis tribute band when they were performing the Gabriel-era material on this tour. If he meant "disengaged from the material" he was right. Collins has admitted that he neither understands nor likes a certain amount of Genesis's golden-era material - and the evidence is here, as he tries to cover his distate for the lyrics by...
1) over-emoting wildly -
"Carpet Crawl(ers)" really does not need all that "y'know, y'know...get out, get out" business - and that's nothing compared to the utter ruination of "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway"
2) adlibbing insensitively
"Firth Of Fifth": "oh boy!" how ancient-Scottish is that? -
3) acting badly -
"Suppers Ready": doesn't that stupid giggle during Willow Farm make you cringe?
In any case his voice lacks the rough edge that made Gabriel's vocals so gripping, and that makes a huge difference to the older material here.
It wasn't so bad on the 1976 tour, where Collins was too busy concentrating on getting the lyrics right to bother with the over-emoting. A whole album from the '76 tour would have been better (then we might have heard "White Mountain"! And the original ending to "Dance On A Volcano"!) but unfortunately all we have hear is "The Cinema Show. Which is the highlight of the album: mainly because the focus shifts from Collins The Vocalist, and we realise that Bill Bruford's additional drums/percussion inspired Collins The Drummer in a way that Chester Thompson never could.
In fairness, the frontman isn't the only one with problems - Hackett is buried in the mix in places, but it's possible to hear him strike wrong notes here and there, and sometimes Rutherford sounds like he's not quite on the case: the first half of "Supper's Ready" sounds rushed in places, and "I Know What I Like", regardless of the merits/disbenefits of the self-quoting extension, is a messy performance.
Really, the best you can say of this is that it's better than any of the subsequent live albums.
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Initial post: 30 Jun 2010 21:36:00 BDT
D. Izod says:
This criticism is what is wrong with critics. This criticism is really just trying to tell you how much the critic knows about its subject to the point of thinking that the critic is actually more important than the subject.
This critic is a bit of an arse.
If you don't like the album, fine. You don't like it. Nobody can argue with you for that. But Collins' 'vocal stylings' (a phrase I don't think anyone has used since the compere of 'New Faces' in 1977) are a matter of taste, not decency. And on a purely technical level he is far, far better singer than Peter Gabriel ever was (a fact that Gabriel would probably happily concede), he is just different: poppier, yes, but God knows Genesis needed to be poppier after all that Prog Rog let's change time signatures till we disappear up our own essential orifices nonsense.
It is better than the subsequent live albums and it is also much, much better than Genesis Live. It is a wonderful record and if you really think that anyone other than you has ever heard Steve Hackett hit a wrong note (and can even be bothered to work out that it is Hackett playing it and not Rutherford for most of us neither know nor care: it just sounds nice) then I think you are sorely mistaken.
My guess is that you are either a) someone who thinks they should be writing for a Sunday broadsheet but can't get the gig or B) a lecturer in music at a minor university somewhere. Whatever, please, lighten up!
In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jan 2011 21:00:57 GMT
R Davenport says:
Well said sir, I agree with every word!
In reply to an earlier post on 11 Mar 2011 22:49:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 11 Mar 2011 22:51:17 GMT
It IS a shame they didnt use more tracks with Bruford. 1976 bootlegs sound much more lively(and 'live'!) than 'Seconds Out'.
Posted on 2 Nov 2011 19:30:26 GMT
Pd Davies says:
Yes i agree with all here, i think Phil Collins was just trying to do the Gabriel tracks his own way (im no phil collins fan) and in all fairness he does a stearling job...if you are talking Collins overdoing things vocally listen to the bloody awful `Three sides live`..this for me remains one of the best live albums ever...
In reply to an earlier post on 9 Jun 2012 20:36:29 BDT
Last edited by the author on 9 Jun 2012 20:52:51 BDT
"Am I the only one who thinks this album isn't much good?"
"and we realise that Bill Bruford's additional drums/percussion inspired Collins The Drummer in a way that Chester Thompson never could."
WTF is that supposed to mean? It was Phil who arranged and provided the original percussion to all these songs when originally done in the studio. He doesn't need to be inspired by either of these 2 drummers. He is his own man and in all likelihood would have instructed Bruford and Thompson how he wanted the songs played live.
One final point about Collins 'over-emoting' He is very much in the 'soul singer' camp as became more clear once his solo career began. It's his style, he grew up on soul and Tamla Motown as his main influences and where he largely differs from Gabriel's vocal efforts His style doesn't lessen the songs in any way. It's just different... and just as good.
Posted on 21 Oct 2012 16:50:05 BDT
Oh boy, you're not right in the brain tank LOL
Posted on 29 Apr 2013 18:28:36 BDT
Mr. J. A. Knight says:
First I think this a quality live album - the sound is spot on and I couldn't pick out any bum notes from Hacket. I don't see why anyone should be called an arse because he has an opinion!
I actually agree with coca-ebola's remarks regarding Phil Collin's irritating ad-libs. Not just on Gabriel's material (Carpet Crawlers in particular is irritating) but later on his own tracks (singing you wouldn't believe on Turn it On Again). I've seen Genesis on a couple of occasions and sometimes he ruined serious songs by adding a bit of pantomine to the performance. Hell what do I know I'm just an arse as well
Posted on 3 Dec 2013 11:57:03 GMT
J. Colley says:
I think it is one of the best live albums ever, Phil sings it as Phil Collins, did you want him to try and copy Peter?. I think Hackett is too far back for my liking but overall it captures the atmosphere of that time ( I was there).
Posted on 13 Feb 2014 23:52:27 GMT
Yep, I reckon you are on your own saying that! A real timeless classic, churlish to look for 'flaws'!
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