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At last its arrived!,
This review is from: Dragon Ball Z Season 1 [DVD] (DVD)
Finally DBZ gets a proper UK release. If you're a fan of the series then get this. The voices included on this are thankfully the FUNimation voices which we got on toonami and cartoon network for the ginyu,frieza,garlic jr and trunks sagas and are also used for most of the games. We can finally watch the whole series consistantly with these voices. You can watch the episodes 3 ways:
-English with the english soundtrack
-English with the japanese soundtrack
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Initial post: 8 Jul 2012 03:51:15 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 17 Nov 2012 13:36:05 GMT
Skip to opinion number 3 for 16:9 sets.
1 being bad and 10 being excellent.
It is not an easy question.
Each release I have owned of DBZ differs in quality.
I cannot comment on the PAL conversion of the USA 16:9 remastered sets but can on the NTSC 16:9 orange brick season sets upon which the PAL version is based.
1.) Original Ocean/Funimation/Saban/Pioneer edited version 7/10. The colours are vibrant and the grain does not distract these were braodcast in the UK on Cartoon Network/CNX/Toonami. A good transfer from Funimation's available film masters at the time. I own the Region 4 PAL DVDs for those episodes and have never complained.
2.) Ultimate Uncut Special Edition Vegeta Saga (2005) 3/10. The DVDs released had 3 episoded per disc but the new English dub was in 5.1 surround. Once Pioneer's rights lapsed in 2004 Funimation re-aquired them and began the process of dubbing the first 67 episodes and 3 movies with their in-house cast. I don't know how many generations removed from the original Japanese master prints this material was but it just looked practically unwatchable. Far too much grain and noticable damage. Cancelled after 9 volumes so never completed. I own the Region 1, 2 & 4 coded NTSC release.
3.) The awful prints used for the Ultimate Uncut Special Editions are used for "remastering" these 16:9 cropped and stretched season sets. At that time Funimation was refused access to the Dragon Box masters and began work on this alternative. Excessive Digital Video Noise Reduction is applied in places leading to loss of essential detail (missing lines & occasional picture shaking).
The contrast is un-naturally high (saturated). Skin tones may be better in some people's view but the backgrounds can loose focus and the sky is hard to judge from a colour point of view.
The original 16mm film stock was meant for 1.33:1 4:3 presentation/viewing (4:3 full-frame on DVD or 16:9 side panel 1.33:1 4:3 on Blu-Ray Disc). In producing an un-natural 16:9 Full HD 1080P 24fps master to digital tape Funimation went too far! The SD DVD 16:9 sets lose up to 20% of the vertical image (top and bottom) but gain slightly on the horizontal (left and right) of the viewable image. Also taking into account overscan on older TVs (view through an HDMI cable for best results), the benefits are questionable/negligable.
I own the USA NTSC 24fps Region 1, 2 & 4 coded sets. I'd rate them 5/10 overall because of the image quality in the later sets.
Note: also worth thinking about how the UK sets were transferred. The selling point of the US sets was the true 24fps frame rate.
UK TV, Video & DVDs use 25fps.
If DBZ is now at 25fps PAL this again defeats the purpose!
4.) The Dragon Boxes. The best complete version thus far. There are 7 Region 1 & 4 coded NTSC sets. 8/10 the best SD DVD release to date. Any grain remaining is as a result of the original film stock used combined with the age of the series. The colours are exactly as the should be, grain looks natural and gives it the film look you'd expect. The image is presented as intended in 4:3 full-frame 1.33:1 and nothing is missing. Simply amazing!
Note: US music not included on the Dragon Boxes.
5.) Blu-Ray Disc levels 1.1 & 1.2 - cancelled no further releases. Based on preview clips only I'd rate this at 9/10. Presented in a 16:9 side panel window as 1.33:1 4:3 Full HD 1080P.
Pioneer Vol. 1 R1 NTSC -
Dragon Ball Z: Arrival [DVD] [Region 1] [US Import] [NTSC]
Dragon Ball Z Remastered Season 4 NTSC R1, 2 & 4 DVD set -
DragonBall Z: Season Four [REGION 1][NTSC] [DVD]
Dragon Ball Z Ultimate Uncut Special Edition vol. 3 NTSC R1, 2 & 4 -
Dragon Ball Z Saga 1 V.3: Into the Wild [DVD] [US Import] [NTSC] [Region 1]
Dragon Ball Z level 1.1 BD RA &B -
Dragon Ball Z: Level 1.1 [Blu-ray] [US Import]
Dragon Box 5 -
Dragon Ball Z: Dbox Five [DVD] [Region 1] [US Import] [NTSC]
If you can play Region 1 discs try the USA Dragon Boxes (now quite expensive as quantities were limited), otherwise DBZ remastered in awful 16:9 is the best you'll ever get in the UK.
Posted on 10 Dec 2012 08:10:26 GMT
This review is misinformative about its quality, it isn't a proper release. The picture quality is terrible and badly cropped to 16x9, however, you don't have any other choice than this right now.
Dragon Boxes Z are rare now, so unless you're willing to spend a considerable amount of money, you probably won't get 'em.
Posted on 3 Feb 2013 19:51:19 GMT
Is this UK release using a PAL signal or NTSC?
In reply to an earlier post on 3 Feb 2013 21:37:30 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Feb 2013 21:43:11 GMT
All the UK sets say PAL on every site I've visited.
"On their Twitter account, Manga UK noted in response to fan inquiries that the masters used will be the PAL versions from Madman's Australian release, itself converted from FUNimation's original version."
In keeping with past releases I'd say this IS basically a UK R2 repackage of the Madman Entertainment Australian PAL Region 4 DVD Releases.
Madman Interactive does a lot of stuff for Manga, MVM & Studio Canal UK (Optimum Releasing).
Here is a question for Charlison92 - WHY DOES IT MATTER!??
As I said on the NTSC release it is a 24fps transer but TV system wise ALL European HD TVs can handle 60Hz. The field refresh rate is the issue not the picture resolution.
In this case though the selling point was the frame rate (no added visual data/information). Most Blu-Ray Discs are 60Hz (Except 2Entertain/BBC UK at 50Hz). Plus most old TVs and DVD Players supported either basic standards conversion NTSC video output at PAL 50Hz (slightly juddery) OR the PAL60 format. I would be very surprised if you have any problems viewing.
PAL 576i 50Hz Video Frame Rate 25fps.
NTSC DBZ Funimation 480P 720x480 60Hz Video Frame Rate 24fps.
The USA Orange Brick Season releases are all R2 anyway.
All the Season sets in the UK, Australia/New Zealand or the USA/Canada are faux 16:9 1.78:1 WS and none are truely representative of the director's intent.
The Funimation realeases of the Ultimate Uncut Special Editions (9 volumes or the first 27 episodes) & Original DVD Uncut Ginyu Saga (episodes 55/68 or 67 and a half if you prefer) onwards (276/291) are R1, R2 & R4 NTSC. so you can buy MOST episodes in 1.33:1 Region 2 NTSC format via stockists of older American DVDs.
Of course there would be a gap facilitating the purchase of Seasons 1 & 2 (orange brick).
Again I'm unsure what your specific question or issue is. Please clarify.
With the increased costs of all DVDs lately the USA season sets are not coming in at £15.00 or under anymore.
Take a risk & make your choice! You just can't win! Not all third-party sellers ship to the UK. Plus no matter what others say, marketplace orders via the UK amazon site are very much like a lottery. Some packages never cost more while others are constantly stopped at customs. £15.00 is the new lowered limit for goods (total). Some are lucky others are not!
Sunday 03 February 2013 FUNIMATION Season Sets R1, 2 & 4 coded NTSC 24fps -
Current costs as single order directly through Amazon USA at expedited shipping with fees paid:
Items (9): GBP £144.89
Shipping & handling: GBP £22.44
Total before tax: GBP £167.33
Estimated [additional] tax to be collected: GBP £0.00
Pre-Paid Import Fees Deposit GBP £33.46
Order total: GBP £200.79
Total Per Set: GBP £22.31 - STILL CHEAPER THAN IN THE UK!!!
Items (9): USD $218.90
Shipping & handling: USD $33.90
Total before tax: USD $252.80
Estimated tax to be collected: GBP £0.00
Pre-Paid Import Fees Deposit USD $50.56
Order total: USD $303.36
In reply to an earlier post on 5 Feb 2013 19:28:50 GMT
"Again I'm unsure what your specific question or issue is. Please clarify."
The point of my comment was to ask for clarification whether Manga UK released it as a PAL signal; also I did forget to add that Amazon's product description states that it was a region 1 only [FUNimation release], which it was misleading, and was wondering if it was R1, R2 and R4. However, I have a copy of season five and it was a FUNimation release which I got from my friend, who bought it from HMV at the time, that is R1, R2, and R4. I wonder if one of the reviewers did clarify that. I'm glad you did clarify in the comments. I'm better off with the 24p NTSC signal rather than the converted PAL blurred 24p.
In reply to an earlier post on 5 Feb 2013 22:25:51 GMT
Last edited by the author on 5 Feb 2013 22:45:41 GMT
Thanks for getting back to me.
I understand your points.
The Amazon Catalogue currently only allows Region 1, 2 or ALL (0) on the UK/USA sites. There are no more specific listing options given. I know since I've tried to update product information on this site more than once. They wont even note if something plays in the UK if it doesn't fit that narrow definition in terms they use here.
Some Madman transfers (Studio Ghibli Collection) have had blurring or ghosting but generally these are not the norm. The USA release is the better choice.
In the USA the ORIGINAL releases of Dragon Ball (excluding the 1st saga - The Saga of Goku) were also regions 1, 2, & 4.
In addition Dragonball GT in any form (volumes, seasons or sets) from Funimation on DVD is the same. The Season sets are easier to get through customs the the complete series of GT.
I own the Steelbook versions of the DBZ Specials and Movies but do not recommend them. The Stretching & Cropping for 16:9 ruins them. The 1.33:1 versions I own are mostly Funimation but some are Madman. There are very few DB releases that are problematic Region wise.
Basically the USA releases are mostly OK.
Buy most items used (if available).
Dragon Ball Tournament Saga -
Red Ribbon Army -
General Blue -
Commander Red -
Fortune Teller Baba -
Tien Shinhan -
King Piccolo Saga Pt 1 -
King Piccolo Saga Pt 2 -
Piccolo Jr Saga Pt 1 -
Piccolo Jr Saga Pt 2 -
Dragon Ball Movie 3-Pack [Movies 2-4] -
Dragon Ball GT Season 1 -
Dragon Ball GT Season 2 Plus Movie -
DBZ Movies 01-03 Funimation Cast 4:3 1.33:1 -
DBZ Movie 4 Lord Slug UNCUT -
DBZ Movie 05 Cooler's Revenge -
DBZ Movie 06 - Return of Cooler -
DBZ Movie 07 Super Android 13 -
DBZ Movie 08 Broly Legendary Super Saiyan -
DBZ Movie 09 Bojack Unbound -
DBZ Movie 10 Broly 2nd Coming -
DBZ Movie 11 Bio-Broly -
DBZ Movie 12 Fusion Reborn -
DBZ Movie 13 Wrath of the Dragon -
DBZ TV Special The History of Trunks -
DBZ TV Special Barock: The Father of Goku -
Buy old Dragon Ball Sets and DBZ Movies in 1.33:1 used but in good, very good or like new condition. Try Zoverstocks or spun_cds_dvds (at amazon USA or UK). All are R1, 2 & 4 NTSC.
DB: GT is best new in SEASON form direct from amazon.com at the moment.
In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 14:08:55 GMT
I don't know why any of ya'll even care about these orange bricks, I mean, the quality was badly remastered, hell, they set it to automatic and the machine did it itself.
Just get yourselves the Dragon Boxes Z for the Z series, it's the best out there. And also the DBZ Levels 1.1 and 1.2, but they were discontinued/whatevs.
In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 20:34:38 GMT
Ah, an attempt at humour!
Yes the Season sets are awful.
The point has already been made that the Dragon Boxes are becoming expensive. I have the sets and am glad I can watch the series in a form where Goku's ridiculous hair doesn't get cut off.
Since the entire marketing campaign for the USA release of the "Orange Bricks" was one lie after another I will never understand how the remastering is seen by anyone who loves the series as an improvement.
The original DVDs aren't really so bad after all.
It is a shame about the BD releases being cancelled though.
The seasons are the best currently on offer to the English speaking masses.
Having said that I hate tinny Dolby Digital 1.0 (center speaker only) soundtracks for the Japanese versions of "Blue Brick" DB & "Green Brick" GT. At least the audio on the old DVDs and early DBZ "Orange Bricks" are mono but encoded as a DD 2.0 track (still mono but it doesn't sound as bad).
In reply to an earlier post on 6 Feb 2013 22:44:44 GMT
The DBZ Singles of FUNimation do have better quality than the DBZ Orange Bricks BUT they're not all uncut which makes it not an ideal choice for those who want all 291 episodes.
I could never bother to buy all singles. Glad I got all 7 boxes.