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5.0 out of 5 stars The inner self through history, 17 Aug 2008
This review is from: Phantasmagoria: Spirit Visions, Metaphors, and Media into the Twenty-first Century (Hardcover)
This book deals with projections of subconscious memories, and discusses the inner reality of the self as an imaginary state, situated under historical and technological influences.
However, the book exemplifies phantasms so well within wide range of 'scientific' endeavours and authentic artistic activities (see pages 115-118) that I am left convinced that the spirit is not illusory but does exist or at least hold a valid reality. By showing so well the existence of the illusory state of the spirit, I am left feeling that it is not illusionary at all. This is fascinating. A remarkable achievement and intriguing work, by author Marina Warner.
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Initial post: 3 Jun 2009 19:36:26 BDT
Last edited by the author on 3 Jun 2009 19:40:15 BDT
A Reader says:
"By showing so well the existence of the illusory state of the spirit, I am left feeling that it is not illusionary at all."

Huh? By clearly showing it's illusion, you've convinced yourself it therefore isn't???

That there are ubiquitous metaphors for things hard to conceptualise, like mind and personality, and for ideas and feelings that console our biological reality (Nietzsche's 'The Haters of The Earth'), like heaven and a spirit or soul, clearly shows our cultural evolutionary heritage and our poignant human nature, however to illogically make a conclusion that this must mean they're true is to have completely missed the point and to have missed the insight into their human origin.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Dec 2009 21:01:16 GMT
Gil Dekel says:
Yes, you got a point in your comment. What I meant is that the author of this book 'delve' so much into 'showing' how illusory this state is (the state of perception of the spirit) that one is left with the feeling (note the word 'feeling', not 'conclusion') that the author actually tries to convince us that the spirit 'state' is not illusory at all. In other words, it feels like 'reading between the lines' really - that is where the book's message lies...

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2010 17:15:03 BDT
A Reader says:
Maybe all the correlated information from a early period of human history strongly suggests something factual and evidence-based and maybe that is the subtext of the book. However, I just don't think it is, certainly not as a necessary conclusion, but yes, debatable though to the intended subtext.

Analogically I'm happy in the surer epistemological knowledge we really don't live on a flat Earth with Heavens above but on a planet in the cosmos - despite all the equally early, human, correlated, very certain 'evidence' to support that basic idea. I'd need to reread some to get a btter glimspe into any behind-the scenes intentions or perhaps wikipedia the author to see of any religious filters for the other.
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