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A Wasted Opportunity,
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This review is from: The Genesis Suite (Audio CD)I was really looking forward to this work, being both a fan of Mr. Kashif's "Queen Symphony" and a long time Genesis fan. Where the "Queen Symphony" had non-specific titles, such as "Adadgio Mysterioso" and "Adante Sostenuto", here we have specific Genesis tracks.
The "Genesis Suite is very different to it's predecessor, instead of the wonderful wrapping of themes and motifs that make up the "Queen Symphony", here we have aimless meanderings and lost opportunities. A good example is "Mad Man Moon". The Genesis version clocks in at seven minutes, here it is over sixteen minutes long. Whilst I would never have bought an "LSO plays Genesis" type of album, there are many times here I wish Mr. Kashif would just "get on with it", as the original is just lost in his arrangement. If he wanted to extend the piece, he should have brought in some other Genesis themes.
At the end of the "Undertow / Blood on the Rooftops" medley, instead of meandering around for several minutes, why not bring in new strands of Genesis to end the piece - there is plenty of material to go at! It makes me wonder just how familiar Mr. Kashif is with Genesis' body of work.
This brings me to my final and most personal criticism, choice of material. All the music used here is chosen from Genesis later, post Peter Gabriel catalogue. What could have been done with the glorious themes and harmonies from "Supper's Ready" or "Firth of Fifth" I can only guess, as they are not here.
I have given the "Genesis Suite" 3 stars because of it's one redeeming track, the opening "Land of Confusion / Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" which is a glorious mix of choir and orchestra.
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Initial post: 13 Oct 2010 17:31:21 BDT
The Digger2010 says:
Dear Mr Sherwood,
Perhaps if you are patient and wait for volume two then some of the themes you mention may be treated.
In the meantime listen again and enjoy the music for itself - this is a far deeper orchestral working of classic pop material
than is usually attempted and deserves to be championed. This is clearly not meant to be a "highlights package" but a modern 'theme and variation' interpretation of some genuinely wonderful 20th Century Music - Carefully chosen and brilliantly arranged - its about time the boundaries were crossed properly and people opened up their horizons!
In reply to an earlier post on 14 Oct 2010 10:03:36 BDT
Mr. D. J. Sherwood says:
Hello Mr. Digger2010,
Thank you for your post. Firstly, do you know that a "Volume Two" is in the pipeline, or is it just speculation on your part? If the latter, then my point still stands. There is certainly no mention of it on Tolga Kashif's website, so would you care to reveal your source? Interesting how the cover of "The Genesis Suite" is more in keeping with the older Genesis albums, such as "Foxtrot" or Nursery Cryme" though, is it not?
As for listening again, I have listened to the album 4 times and some single tracks more than that. I have listened to it on headphones and on a good audio system. While I can appreciate the wonderful sounds of the orchestra and choir, I still go back to my original point - too much Kashif and not enough Genesis.
He is quoted as saying on http://www.genesis-news.com/news-Tolga-Ka
Now a Tolga Kashif album is something I would buy, I like the man's work, but my comments were based on what he has done with Genesis, not on an original composition. There is so much room in this Suite for introducing new Genesis-based themes from other songs, intertwined into the chosen pieces, instead of which he introduces his own elements. These are not variations, but external themes that are not based on the original material and this is my main problem with this work, not that it sounds bad or is in anyway invalid. He has simply moved too far away from Genesis, not the stated song, just Genesis, in my opinion.
As for the orchestral working of classical pop (Surely Prog Rock) material you mention, as I state in my review, I would not have bought a simple "LSO plays Genesis" album, something I think has appeared in the past. This Suite is much, much more than that and I applaud it for being so. The definitive "straight" orchestration of Genesis was done by Steve Hackett with "Genesis Revisited".
I am glad you enjoy the music and it certainly would not put me off buying another Tolga Kashif re-working. Just that this one does not stand up for me.
In reply to an earlier post on 16 Oct 2010 13:35:38 BDT
A. White says:
DJS - I echo your sentiments here. I'm afraid Mad Man Moon just lost my interest as it went further away from the original, masterful work, with orchestral movements that might well have been in the style of Tolga, but didn't reflect Genesis at all as far as I could tell.
Ripples is "grand" and, for me, contained enough references to the original to make it in enjoyable, but still every time it went away from the familiar it cheapened the result for me.
As you said there is enough material through the Genesis catalogue to mean different thematic strands could have been used in place of standard classical cliches!
It is a pleasant album - but I still think it's more for those who weren't familiar with every clever progression and twiddly note of the originals.
Posted on 24 Oct 2010 15:39:09 BDT
Ms H. E. Hand says:
Thanks Mr Sherwood, I totally agree. He needs to know the early Genesis work a bit better than this to do it justice.
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