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3.0 out of 5 stars One of the better pro-God books, 18 April 2010
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It's interesting to read a book with which I disagree with almost every single word. But unlike the recent spate of pro-God responses to Richard Dawkins, at least Williams makes a decent stab at an argument. There are plenty of holes though. Williams thinks that the only way there could be objective meaning in the universe would be through God. This is false in two directions. First, unlikely though it would be, the human race may have been manufactured by an alien race and given a purpose without the need of a God. Second, even with a God, there is no reason to think that our lives would have objective meaning. As cogs in God's machine, it's difficult to see why this would generate any more meaning than being cogs in a God-less machine.

More criminally, Williams makes the same mistake that CS Lewis does. He provides pro-God arguments and then leaps to the assumption of a Christian God without providing any arguments to bridge the gaping chasm between these two claims. But what argument could he seriously have offered? Any claim that the Bible is the Truth because it tells you so is circular. Any claim regarding personal faith would apply equally to believers of all other faiths. Best just not to mention it and hope no one notices.

I was reading this book mostly for the pro-objective meaning and pro-objective morality arguments it espouses in the first few chapters for a couple of essays I was writing at the time. Nothing it contains offered any serious challenge to the anti-objective meaning and anti-objective morality stance I was already taking, but it's worth a read though.
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Initial post: 18 Sep 2010 21:48:56 BDT
'Steven' is being disengenuous.
God is not creating a machine but a being in His likeness who can love.
The nature of a machine is that its responses are determined.
Naturalism cannot allow for true human freedom and therefore is
incoherent when it offers its account of human consciousness for our acceptance.
If we have no such freedom our response is merely caused and not a rational choice.
If aliens are invoked as agents where did they come from?
There can only be one necessary being who made all the rest.
Nothing comes from nothing and contingent beings cannot make themselves
without deriving that ability from that necessary being who exists outside space and time.
Such a being can create life. He can also restore life. Lewis did not have a chasm in his thinking.
The God who made this creation can also enter it as He promised.
He accomplished His purpose in coming and was raised from the dead as a demonstration that that purpose had been accomplished.
He has promised to return to bring in a New Creation. No other man can match Him and
do what He has done or purposes to do. The claims that He made are not arbitrary but based
on His own Unique Nature. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses bore witness to Him. Those who may be
taken as His rivals remain in their graves until the time He decides otherwise.
We as His creatures fulfil our purpose by responding to His love. We can ,of course,
persist in our rebellion and fulfil His purposes by showing the foolish consequences of such a course.
The purpose of Man is to love God and to enjoy Him for ever. Only fools miss out.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2011 11:38:45 BDT
popeye says:
Pure delusional rhetoric which makes no sense whatsoever. I pity you, honestly. You waste your life hoping for death, not realising that you are already dead.

Posted on 8 Jul 2011 23:08:46 BDT
Mr. T Holton says:
'anti-objective morality' - they had that at the New of the World.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2012 00:33:22 BDT
spoken by a man who, if he is an atheist, has no objective grounds for his meaningfulness, no objective grounds for morality and no objective grounds for the validity of his own thoughts - which are, according to him, arising out of randomness. The ony way you can take anything an atheist says seriously is by pitying them through the eyes of the gospel of Jesus Christ. God's Word alone give solid meaning. All else is despair. It is the atheist who is "already dead" awaiting the judgment of the self-existent God whom they deny.
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