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4.0 out of 5 stars Say Goodbye to America - Matthew Smith, 29 May 2005
This review is from: Say Goodbye to America: The Sensational and Untold Story Behind the Assassination of John F.Kennedy (Hardcover)
Having read loads of books on this subject...this book is diffrent in that it tries to tie together most known facts..and actualy come up with a reason for the eventual outcome..Oswald is not only shown to be innocent but the book explains very well howhe was made to look guilty...his movements after the shooting of JFK which to many people made oswald look guilty are actually explained in such a way that explains his innocence.The author claims that oswald was to be spirited away to Cuba on the pre text that he thought he had a new mission, a plane was waiting for him at Red bird airfield...he was to meet Officer Tippit who was to take him there. All this makes sense up to this point but heres where it falls down...like many people who have studied this subject ive always felt that if the murder of policeman Tippit could be explained then the whole subject of Oswald would make more sense (it was the murder of Tippit which set up Oswalds arrest ) if Tippit was supposed to take Oswald to the airfield (which is central to the authors whole theory ) then why didnt this happen..ie..who killed him and why ? This seems to contradict his whole theory and slightly spoils an otherwise excellent book...its not the first and wont be the last, book on this subject that falls down on one key point. Ive searched hard for a book that covers the Tippit murder in detail, but considering that its so central to the whole subject..they all seem to gloss over it.
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Initial post: 25 Feb 2008 17:19:01 GMT
Clive Baker says:
What an excellent summmary of such an informative and potent book.

Posted on 31 Mar 2009 21:57:44 BDT
Last edited by the author on 22 Apr 2009 16:44:56 BDT
Ex Libris says:
"Tippit could be explained then the whole subject of Oswald would make more sense (it was the murder of Tippit which set up Oswalds arrest ) if Tippit was supposed to take Oswald to the airfield (which is central to the authors whole theory ) then why didnt this happen..ie..who killed him and why ?"
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There is no reliable evidence that Oswald shot and killed officer Tippit.
Forensic evidence shows that Tippit was shot four times by two different guns. The shells retrieved from the scene did not match the gun Oswald was carrying when he supposedly met Tippit.(see Garisson's On the Trail Of The Assassins).Oswald was probably to have been murdered immediately after the assassination. Wayne January - the owner of the plane rental business at Red Bird Airfield saw Oswald only from a distance sitting in the car. January never spoke to 'Oswald' but spoke only to the two individuals who wanted to rent the plane. The 'Oswald' sitting in the car may have been there so that January would simply 'see' him and so that January would later implicate Oswald. Perhaps the request to hire January's plane was merely a charade to set up Oswald.It is debatable whether Oswald ever came into contact with Tippit at all. There are witnesses who have said that Oswald was ALREADY in the Texas theater at the time Tippit was (being) shot. Witnesses to the murder of Tippit said there were two people involved a 'stocky, heavy Cuban' like individual and a tall thin individual who may have been Oswald but was more likely an Oswald double* designed to lead the DPD to the theater where the real Oswald was waiting to meet his 'contact'. Read James Douglass' book 'JFK and the Unspeakable' on how Oswald doubles were used to both frame the real Oswald and set the police on his trail. The real Oswald was arrested in the Texas theater while the Oswald double was in the balcony above.The real Oswald was taken out the front door of the theater while the Oswald double was taken out the back and promptly disappeared never to be seen again - except by a motor mechanic and Robert Vinson (again read James Douglass' for full details.) It is remarkable that Oswald ever got out of the Texas theater alive.Oswald was to be murdered there and then. Something happened which prevented Oswald's being shot. Perhaps it was the presence of movie cameras. It is also interesting and worth remembering that Jack Ruby was in the Texas theater when Oswald was arrested.Why was Ruby there? Read Jim Marrs' famous tome and also James Douglass' book. Ruby's presence in the theater was witnessed by several people. Was Ruby to kill Oswald on that occasion? James Douglass book gives a superb run down on the 'mechanics' of the assassination and how the over use of Oswald doubles almost blew the lid off the conspiracy. Read what Douglass says about Ralph Leon Yates, a Dallas refrigeration worker, who gave an Oswald double a ride to the TSBD on the Wednesday (20th November 1963) BEFORE the assassination. Leon Yates told a workmate what the strange hitchhiker had said to him about President Kennedy.After the assassination the friend told the FBI about Yates' encounter on the 20th November. Read James Douglass' book and discover what kafkaesque fate Leon Yates met with. There is so much about the assassination that is still unknown. One thing that is, in my view, clear - Oswald was - as he said he was - "just a patsy". The question is often asked why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? Perhaps because Ruby was in on the assassination himself. Remember Julia Ann Mercer's statement to the FBI that she saw a man carrying a long rifle up the Grassy Knoll on the morning of the 22nd November 1963. The man had taken the rifle (in a leather case) out of a pick up truck which had allegedly broken down. In the driver seat of the pick up truck - according to Julia Ann Mercer - sat Jack Ruby. Perhaps the FBI or CIA used this damning piece of evidence to recruit Ruby to kill Oswald? Because of this favor the FBI would go easy on Ruby? But why did Oswald have to be eliminated,anyway? Perhaps because any subsequent trial - had Oswald lived - would have shown Oswald to have been working as an undercover agent for both the FBI and the CIA? Oswald probably knew very little about the assassination and may have been merely on the periphery of the conspiracy.Oswald may have thought he was working for the FBI and CIA but was really, unknown to Oswald, working for an FBI and CIA which had been infiltrated by the conspirators. Basically rogue FBI and rogue CIA operatives had maneuvred Oswald into Dallas and into the TSBD. Had Oswald lived he would have faced questioning in a court and would have revealed who he (thought) he was working for. There is evidence Oswald was indeed an FBI agent and that he also had contacts with the CIA. Oswald's testimony at any trial would have revealed 'his side' or 'his take' of/on the 'conspiracy' but would not have revealed anything about the real conspirators who would have been careful to have kept Oswald out of the loop. Any testimony from Oswald would have provided would have been like pieces of a jigsaw from which the inner workings of the conspiracy could have been reconstructed.The irony is that Oswald's innocence would have been revealed not by what he knew but by what he did NOT know. Nonetheless, the conspirators were not going to take any (more) chances. Oswald had to be eliminated because it was this very lack of information on his part in the assassination that would have been enough to have blown the whole conspiracy wide open! Oswald knew nothing about the assassination per se but he did know a lot of what was going on in Dallas on the 22nd November 1963 and on the days and weeks leading up to the assassination.Oswald would have soon realized how he had been used and duped by the conspirators. Oswald would have known names and faces but probably only realized after the assassination of JFK what these names and faces were actually involved in. Again any trial of Oswald would have crystallized in Oswald's mind what he actually had been conned into being a part of - a peripheral part but still a part which gave him access to enough information that would expose the real conspirators - had he been allowed to go on trial. Oswald had to be eliminated one way or another. In my view there were three occasions where the conspiracy almost went awry: 1/ Oswald walked out of the TSBD a few minutes after (12:33) the assassination. It is more likely Oswald was to have been eliminated immediately after the assassination or within minutes of it. 2/ Oswald got out of the Texas Theater alive. Again, he was to have been killed on the spot (probably by Ruby who WAS there and who perhaps chickened out at the last minute). 3/ The encounter with Tippit may have been another attempt (See above Oswald double note)* to kill Oswald which went wrong. Tippit was killed but this had its advantages for the conspirators since Oswald was now a cop-killer as well as the assassin of the President.*Did Tippit make a mistake? Did he mistake the Oswald double for the real Oswald and attempt to arrest the Oswald double? The arrest or death of the Oswald double (See James Douglass' JFK And The Unspeakable) would have been disastrous for the conspirators - a total nightmare scenario. One Oswald double lying dead on Patton Avenue while the REAL Oswald is still alive and sitting waiting to meet his contact in the Texas theater?! The true identity of the dead Oswald double would have been quickly established.This surely would have exposed the conspiracy and so Tippit had to be shot to death to avoid such an eventuality. Tippit was probably shot by the 'stocky, heavy' Cuban like man and by the Oswald double.This would explain how Tippit was shot by two different guns.After the shooting of Tippit the 'stocky, heavy' Cuban like man waves to the Oswald double to 'go on' i.e. to the Texas theater. On his way there the Oswald double would attract as much attention as possible to himself by acting suspiciously - such as ducking into a shop doorway as a police car with blaring siren passes. It has never been satisfactorily explained why Tippit was where he was when he was shot. Was the Oswald double used as a 'bait' to provoke Officer Tippit into an attempted arrest which would allow the Oswald double to shoot Officer Tippit and thus give the real Oswald the added 'distinction' of being a 'cop-killer'? Was Tippit sent to his certain death by someone inside the DPD who was in on the conspiracy?

All this is well documented in the above mentioned books which are available from amazon.co.uk

In reply to an earlier post on 3 Dec 2010 18:51:37 GMT
Last edited by the author on 3 Apr 2012 06:59:02 BDT
Barry Ryder says:
The above comment left by 'Libris' is so full of conspiracy-buff falsehood that it's hard to know where to start with the corrections.
I won't bother with any of the writer's labyrinthine speculations and hypotheses, I'll just point out some of the most obvious factual errors.

He begins by writing:

" There is no reliable evidence that Oswald shot and killed officer Tippit"
False:
Two eyewitnesses - Markham and Tatum - saw Oswald shoot Tippit, Benavides, the two Davis sisters, Scoggins, Calloway, Guinyard and Reynolds (to name but nine) all identified Oswald - and no-one else - as the man they saw both at and fleeing the scene of Tippit's murder with a gun in his hand.
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" Forensic evidence shows that Tippit was shot four times by two different guns".
False:
The forensic evidence shows that Tippit was shot by one gun which had been loaded with two different brands of ammunition - Winchester Western and Remington Peters.
When Oswald was searched at City Hall his revolver was found to have been re-loaded with three Winchester Western and three Remington Peters. In his trouser pocket he had five live Winchester-Western bullets

" The shells retrieved from the scene did not match the gun Oswald was carrying when he supposedly met Tippit"
False:
All the shells found at the scene were matched to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world.

." It is debatable whether Oswald ever came into contact with Tippit at all"
False:
Markham and Tatum saw Oswald shoot Tippit and the two Davis sisters, Benavides and Scoggins all testified to seeing him at the scene with a gun in his hand. None of the witnesses testified to seeing anyone else.

"There are witnesses who have said that Oswald was ALREADY in the Texas theater at the time Tippit was (being) shot".
False:
There are no witnesses who testified to seeing Oswald in the theatre any earlier than 1:16 - the time of Tippit's murder.
Brewer and Postal both place the time of Oswald's arrival at the theatre as about 1:36.

" Witnesses to the murder of Tippit said there were two people involved a 'stocky, heavy Cuban' like individual and a tall thin individual"
False:
No witness to the Tippit murder ever gave such a description to anybody.

" It is also interesting and worth remembering that Jack Ruby was in the Texas theater when Oswald was arrested".
False:
He wasn't.

" Ruby's presence in the theater was witnessed by several people".
False:
Nobody ever testified to seeing Ruby in the theatre.

" There is evidence Oswald was indeed an FBI agent and that he also had contacts with the CIA"
False:
on both counts. There is no evidence whatsoever that Oswald was an agent of either the FBI or CIA.

"This would explain how Tippit was shot by two different guns.
False:
Tippit was shot by one gun that had been loaded with two different makes of ammunition (see above).

" After the shooting of Tippit the 'stocky, heavy' Cuban like man waves to the Oswald double to 'go on' "
False:
This statement is a reworking of the un-sworn claims of Acquilla Clemmons. She did not see the shooting but came to the front of the house in which she was working after she heard the shots. If she saw anyone at all, she saw Ted Calloway - who was 'stocky and heavy'. He had picked up Tippit's gun and was waving at the gathering crowd to go off in pursuit of Oswald.
The inclusion of the words 'Cuban or Cuban-like' is pure conspiracy-buff invention; Clemmons never said it.

"It has never been satisfactorily explained why Tippit was where he was when he was shot".
False:
It has been explained repeatedly since 1963, but buffs like Libris don't want to hear it.
Tippit was sent to patrol additional areas by his dispatcher, Murray Jackson. With most of the DPD headed into the Dealey Plaza area, Jackson needed cover in Oak Cliff. Tippit and Nelson got the calls.

" Was Tippit sent to his certain death by someone inside the DPD who was in on the conspiracy?"
No, he wasn't.
He was assigned as explained above. His assignment was given by Murray Jackson who was a life-long friend and had partnered Tippit in car number ten as a rookie-cop.

Libris: The above corrections are not made for your benefit, by the way - you are clearly beyond the reach of truth and reason. They have been made so that other readers may know that your ramblings have no basis in fact and should not be trusted.

Barry
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