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LOST FOR WORDS OVER THE PACKAGING... & THE 5.1 MIX,
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This review is from: Tubular Bells - The Ultimate Edition (2009) (Audio CD)
I am going to keep this review very short. You know the lp/cd but wait until you hear the 2009 5.1 mix. This box is released by Mercury/Universal and not Virgin. The vinyl is housed in one sleeve of the newly designed gatefold cover. However, the original sleeve is still kept but now with a black inner gatefold. The vinyl dust jacket (inner sleeve) is plain white The cd/dvds are housed in the sealed other side of the gatefold. The book is rather good. Hardback and well bound with nice sized pictures... BUT a more accurate and longer story of the making is to be read in "THE MAKING OF MIKE OLDFIELD'S TUBULAR BELLS by RICHARD NEWMAN" see this link The Making of Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells". Both books share a lot of the same photos but the reading is so much more in depth in Newman smaller sized book.
Sorry I can't make a comment about the sound of the record as I will never play the vinyl.
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Initial post: 24 Jun 2012 01:29:08 BDT
R. Pievaitis says:
hi Paul,thanks for the nice review short and sweet, thank you.
also the link to the making of book is real helpful too-i love reading such books like "the revolution in my head" -the beatles book, the xtc and the smiths books too are all dam fine if you like to read about the more techy details as to how,why and where those great songs, we now regard as classics,came about.plus newman is one fine engineer and producer in his own right.
just one aspect that i wish to mention to you-you make such a definite last statement about not ever wanting to hear the vinyl version,why is that may i ask ?
as a child of the 70,s i was raised on vinyl of course-apart from 8 track and cassette that was the better format as we all had no other option , but i along with 99% of of every other music fan got caught up in the so called cd revolution.i do recall seeing dire straits at the NEC around 1985/6 ish.outside the arena in the car park was parked a massive coach type display thing.on the side of it was the Phillips logo and on the roof were 2 very large speakers.as we all were leaving after the concert ,to try and retrieve our cars in the dark,all we could hear was the sound of "oxygene" Jm Jarre playing at very high volume threw these speakers.it was of course a demo coach advertising the benefits in sound of the about to be publicly launched "cd player".
well i had to have one -soon !!!!! the sound quality was so good i thought that compared to my vinyls it was another world away.of course around that time we were being scuppered by all the major labels because they were all using terrible quality recycled uncleaned vinyl and the thinnest slices of vinyl too.i still own some of the late 70,s and mid 80,s vinyls and you can literally bend them in 2 with no effort and the do not break.
this ,of course makes for a very bad listening experience,but at the time we had no alternative option really-i hated tape based audio anyway.so we put up with what was inferior audio formats.
when i was able to afford one -i bought a cd midi sound system and threw away my separates hifi system(bad move there richard my old son !)but i was young and the look and neatness caught me with my pants down and brains out for lunch !so i owned a cd player-now what should i buy to show it off to all my music loving friends ?well oxygene and surprise surprise brothers in arms by the straits-who i find out later ,were sponsored by Phillips on that self same tour !!!!say no more !
of course they both sounded ,at the time,to be 2000% better,a touch harsh but the overall quality and the details were amazingly awesome.i recall playing the intro of money for nothing to my brother in law who had come over from Canada in 87 and it blew his mind literally ! he had not come across cd players yet in Canada !he bought one at comet in Leeds the very next day and took it home to nova scotia with him.
but as time passes and you get chance to re appraise things-i realised my mistake in throwing away my deck-well i couldnt play my vinyls as a start,so i upgraded back to a separates system again,this time with a deck,all from a supposedly good hi fi shop in Leeds-name not mentioned !
suddenly my Sade a diamond life vinyl sounded not too bad at all-thru some mission floor standers and some Cyrus amps etc etc.ah maybe cds are not so good after all i thought.
then in the early 00,s i tried to play a late 80,s cd and it just would not play-it had corroded and was digitally corrupt-oh dear !
so i upgraded my cd player to a 16 but one-ah now thats better-for a while then i discovered sacds and dvda,s.via my pioneer ns dvd1000 multi disc format dvd player-aha again is this the holy grail i was seeking- the 5.1 discs of things like dark side of the moon and tubular bells on the sacd version were awesome,but something was still missing-what on earth was it ?
so after spending over £0000,s of pounds over the last 30 years i realised that it as the sound of analogue vinyl that i was missing.
oh dear-,well after a windfall in 2005 i was in the enviable position of being allowed by wifey to realise my hifi dreams and she let me spend a considerable sum on the separates system of my dreams-i always wanted a pre and 2 power amp set up.plus a decent deck.
without crowing about what i now own and the like which is extremely vulgar and not in good taste i will just say that having a decent deck like a rega p9 ,via some decent amps and large floor standers i now have finally got the sound i craved for all those years ago-well to my ears anyway it does !?
but and this is my point after all that back story(i cannot withhold rambling and i do hope it makes sense -i included it all because it shows the lengths that i have gone to and been drawn on by all the advertising etc etc and basically ended up where i began albeit a more refined and expensive version ahahhaha-sucked in again hey well yes maybe that is also true-will i ever be content-no i doubt it but this is the last upgrade i could not afford the next level-it would be soooo way out of my affordability now that i am early retired due to a broken spine )is that my true love is still good well made quality vinyl albums.
these days vinyl is made from "virgin material not recycled muck,it tends to be either 180 or even 200gm in weight -not the 80gm rubbish of the 80,s-purposely done to encourage us all to buy the newly launched cds and hence re-buy all our existing albums again and again and again-remastered to within a point of their lives.sometimes the master tapes are so used that they have to be baked so that one final digital copy can be made as the future reference point-oh my god !)and the time spent in the manufacturing process is alot better than before-sure they are sometimes ,as in the case of the MSFL vinyls ,quite dear,but with half speed mastering and small batch copying-you are assured of a much cleaner sound than the muck of the past that we all got used to.
i try to buy re issues of classic albums if they are made available on the "classic record label"-check them out-they use old analogue gear and half speed mastering and keep the run down to no more than 2000 copies but the sound is really like having led zep in your front living room playing going to California.i also buy all the music by porcupine tree on vinyl too-it sound superb on the dvda and even blu ray mixes that steven wilson issues but the heavy weight vinyls are superb-taking the time to issue what would be a single album onto a double vinyl to ensure the grooves have room to breath too-awesome quality.
so after a long walk around the issue at hand could i convince you to purchase a deck for your system and give that TB vinyl a run out sometime soon ?maybe ?-but ensure if you do ,that your amp has the ability to run a record deck-as so many folks gave up on vinyl-most amps over the last 20 years do not have a phono input-absolutely needed as the signal coming from the deck is so quiet compared to that out of a cd player that you would not be able to run it into any normal input at all-consider carefully but an extra phono amp is not silly money-but if you are still seeking that sound then maybe give it a try-if not can i have your vinyl copy please -oh oh the parting shot !!!
only joking ,
thanks for reading anybody-but consider ,in this age of free music by illegal d/ling,that the only area of music that is growing is the vinyl sector-ever wondered why so many bands are now issuing their new work on vinyl as well ?guess why,well all those kids who grew up listening to horrible quality mp3s are now maturing and want to hear it as they might now hear it live-ie with some umph-hey presto its cool again to be seen with a pile of vinyls under your arm-what comes around goes around hey !!!
In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jun 2012 17:20:14 BDT
Mr Paul Savory says:
Well that was a comment and a half. I read it with much interest. Thought provoking and informative. Thanks for that. I will not be playing the Vinyl version for 2 reasons. 1) I am -7db and -5db with my hearing. And 2) the turntable I have is not of any quality. Panasonic and not even Technics. I can get my hands on a rather nice Technics (similar to, but pre-dating the 1200). But I am very happy with the 5.1 mix.
Thanx again, Richard for a monster of a comment. All the best, Paul.
In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jun 2012 00:52:37 BDT
R. Pievaitis says:
hello there paul yes sorry for the ramble and i do sympathise as i have bilateral tinnitus and have almost the same hearing loss as you but only at female voice frequencies.can come in handy when i wish-lol !!!
remember if you ever want it to go to a good welcome home-i,m joing of course as i realise thats its part of the collection isn,t it ?anyway,so glad you found some of it entertaining -i had not realised how long i had been typing-sorry !
cheers paul all the best mate ,
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