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1.0 out of 5 stars Bad remastering ..., 21 Mar. 2011
This review is from: Nile Rodgers presents: The Chic Organization, Boxset Vol. I / "Savoir Faire" (Audio CD)
I've just compared all the CHIC tracks which I've from other CDs and they sound much better. Isn't it possible to go into the studio with the original analog master tapes, record them with state-of-the-art A/D converters and leave it as it is - without any post-(re)mastering?

The remasters might sound quitly at home - but when I play/compare them on my superb head phones I hear all the differences on my ears which reflects the result in the club when I play them loud as dj.

The only good part are the superb remixes by Dimitri (5 stars).
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Initial post: 18 Aug 2012 19:33:08 BDT
Staircase2 says:
Of course it's possible - but not very likely - the point for artists (and particularly the label!) is to improve on what they did before. For the label the rationale is to ensure that fans get something different from what they already own so that they actually want to buy it in the first place.

There's also the (very good) possibility that the original mastered copies do not exist any longer ( record labels back then often thought of records having a very limited life and often couldn't be arsed in archiving them properly/fully.

I agree it's annoying when you listen to something you know well only to find it doesn't have the same edge after its been remastered. Labels and Artists often forget that the magic that happens on a record is literally that; magic. That tampering with something which already has perfection doesn't make it an more perfect but in fact often makes it less perfect than it was originally.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Aug 2012 20:24:43 BDT
Pueblo Funky says:
@Staircase2: If you listen to the video of Nile Rodgers you would know that they have used the original multitrack master for the new remixes on it (so no remaster - a master from scratch). All the (re)masters have a dynamic range value between 7 and 11 - most of all 9 or 10. To less and beside that only the mids are there. There is no bump or any other feeling.

The remasters of Boney M. have the same bad sound.

Of course I buy it and want to listen it - but can't when I hear this kind of bad sound quality. And playing in the club is also not possible. The "kick" and "groove" is missing.

E.g. check the original 12" mix "Forbidden Lover" on this release - and then check the (only single version) on "Good Times - The Very Best Of Chic

Posted on 18 Aug 2012 20:26:40 BDT
Last edited by the author on 18 Aug 2012 20:27:33 BDT
Pueblo Funky says:
continue ...

& Sister Sledge - The Hits & Remixes" (discogs id #1176156). The sound quality of the singe mix is so much better - clean and grooves and kicks. This is only a mastering problem - nothing else. If there would be a master tape problem it is definitely not a problem today to re-create the 12" mix from other multiple sources (e.g. this 7" mix, vinyl).

If I would have time I would re-create the 12" mix for myself but ... however - I still play the 7" mix only because no good sound quality of the 12".

If you post your mail address I can send you the 7" mix and you can compare it. When you hear the difference - you will always hear it (most of the time). ;-)

Posted on 17 Jun 2015 22:20:35 BDT
The point this guy is making and some are missing.
IS the 'Original Sounds' whether they be 7'', 12'' or LP 'Version' are NOT available.
I HATED this box-set as it seems to be all about getting Ca$h out of Fans and not 'the music'.
Thing is Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Roxy Music...the list of ROCK bands with their Original Sounds on CD are so numerous you are almost knee-deep in them.
'Chic', a DISCO Act "nah stuff enough 12'' Versions on one box to maximise $ale$.
Nile Rodgers says he offered the chance to Produce The Rolling Stones no less.
Diana Ross' album was Originally pencilled in for Aretha, but can you imagine her singing 'I'm Coming Out' - no way.
He is SO well thought of in the Industry but even though he may compare his band to Bryan Ferry's band.
It's like he is still 'explaining' how good/technically Chic were = "Even for a Disco group".
He may have 'Produced' many a Cool Album but his own albums aren't rated all that highly.
Which is very unfair as no less than INXS apparently LOVED his first 'Solo'LP.
Someone called David Bowie told Nile that if he made him an album 'half as good', he'd be More than pleased !
THAT LP was called 'Let's Dance' which re-launched his career = mighty praise ?
Basically there are so many people in the Industry that LOVE Nile Rodgers = The Producer.
Not quite so much Nile = the 'Pop Star' as he has always said he wanted to be un-noticed but be in a 'hit group'.
With that attitude, you'd think he would want to re-invent 'Chic' with as many of the Original Performers as possible.
The first thing most people 'notice' on a Dance Record is 'The Voice' and yet while Luci, Norma Jean & Alfa Anderson are all still very much alive.
And have formed their own group - Next Step !
They aren't part of Nile's Touring Band but there is no logical reason for them not to.
Chic is VERY much 'featuring' Nile Rodgers in every way - unfortunately.
While there's a Chance thatNile and the Original singers may still hook-up and give us fans what we want.
Ill thought-out bloody 'Box-Sets' like this one will fill a welcome place on many a shelf.
They aren't REALLY what we all want.
We want all of Chic's albums given the loving treatments of say the Roxy Music Complete Albums box-set that has a double LP of mixes & edits etc.
With maybe the unreleased Johnny Mathis, Fonzi Thornton [who DOES sing live with Bryan Ferry ! Does he pay better ?] and maybe a 'paddded-out' Soup For One OST etc.
It seems Bizarre that someone who is virtually Worshipped, his back catalog is in such tatters and a 'Here have this' type of release like this Box-Set is what eager fans New AND Old are left with.
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