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2.0 out of 5 stars Caution: This Eloquence re-make might not be the same as the original Decca gem., 4 Jan 2012
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This review is from: Mozart: Concertos, K242, K365 & K466 (Audio CD)
Mozart: Concertos, K242, K365 & K466
The reader should be aware that Amazon has decided that this review which was written for the DECCA edition - (and still appears on that Decca edition) fits into the presently Eloquence series of the same works;
And while I was enthusiastic about the Decca edition, I would caution anyone to avoid the Eloquence edition on grounds that it does not have the same sonic magnificence exhibited by the original Decca edition.
Moreover:
The advertiser of this Eloquence edition does not made it clear if it is an AMSI processed Eloquence (Berliner, German torture-process that distorts and kills the purity of sound - written and elaborated upon on another of my reviews...)

SO -
THE REVIEW AT HAND IS FOR THE DECCA EDITION AND NOT FOR THE ELOQUENCE RE-MAKE.
Note that the DECCA edition is five stars (*****) while the Eloquence re-make is only two stars.

Here it goes:
This (DECCA) might just be one of the most intriguing of all of the Mozart multi-pianos concertos on record.

Here we have a rare collaboration not found on any other recording between George Solti and Daniel Barenboim, where the two conductors face each other playing the concerto for two pianos K.365; the conducting of the English Camber Orchestra from the piano on this Decca recording is at the hands of George Solti.

On a previous (EMI) ADD recording it was Barenboim conducting this same orchestra from the piano, and on another Mozart multi-piano concertos, ADD Decca recording with Barenboim and Ashkenazy, it was Barenboim who conducted the ECO from the piano.

The concerto for three pianos K. 242 on this CD, has Andras Schiff, Barenboim & Solti who here too, is conducting the orchestra from the piano.
And the Piano concerto No. 20 K. 466 for single piano features George Solti as the solo pianist conducting from the piano sit.
Technically this Piano concerto is less demanding than other Mozart late concertos.
However, this Decca version of PC 20 has that "dramatic", that purpose and concentration with depth of feeling and sadness - it is the simplicity of greatness, or the greatness of the simplicity of music making that is gloriously captured here, with full piano body tone and lucid decay time - a masterpiece made possible by the Decca recording team headed by Stan Goodall. (The recording was made in 1989 at the Walthamstow Town Hall, London).

This superb Mozart multi-piano concertos with Solti, Barenboim and Schiff - should be grabbed and hold close and dear to the heart. It is a gem and no less than that.
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Initial post: 14 Feb 2012 21:31:48 GMT
You are right, Ms Spotheim, this is a great Decca recording - the "Eloquence" re-issue has been messed up!

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2012 22:09:28 GMT
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
It is pity that most readers of the Amazon comments do not attach much (or any) importance to the sonic property of a CD (probably out of ignorance or for lack of good playback systems, or lack of knowledge of how to listen and what to listen for, or simply because they can't hear very well anymore...)
And CD companies would take advantage of this situation and bring more and more inferior products to the market (making money on account of those hard of hearing...)
My regards.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 08:06:14 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Nov 2012 08:09:25 GMT
Papageno says:
Absolutely right: the original issue IS a gem, and I have treasured it for years. Although I have not heard the Eloquence reissue, I was able to obtain a copy of the original issue for my son, and for a song. And I did it from this link (zoverstocks was the seller).

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Nov 2012 08:57:35 GMT
Thank you too, Mr. Papageno, for the vote of confidence. I am surprised that you still could get hold of the original Decca version. From what I know it is quite rare these days.
My regards.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2012 20:24:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Dec 2012 20:25:21 GMT
Malx says:
I too have just acquired the original Decca from Zoverstocks for a few pence. I can't say what the Eloquence reissue sounds like but the Decca is absolutely fine.
I would take issue with your comment about people not knowing how to listen and what to listen for. I would suggest many people listen to the music, the interpretation then the recording quality, because if the first two elements are sub-standard then the third becomes redundant imo. If all three are great then win win win!

Regards,
Malx.

Posted on 30 Dec 2012 21:12:53 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Dec 2012 21:29:47 GMT
Hi Judy, Great and helpful review. This listing is for the Decca original. They have managed to print your 2 stars for Eloquence (Decca's Australian branch) to this one to which you wanted to give 5 stars. Amazon are only good at UK tax avoidance and customer exploitation. They are looking for £11 for this and yet a market seller has it advertised for under £3. Eloquence are not consistently bad. When Solti was recording the Ring cycle, he took some recording time out to do Bruckner 7 & 8 with the great VPO of the day. These are excellent and worth looking out for. Solti uses the Nowak edition. For 8 I prefer Haas because Nowak left in a major cut in the Finale which Haas didn't implement. This Mozart sounds excellent and I shall buy it forthwith. I am amazed that Barenboim or Schiff 'let' him have the solo in No.20. Thanks again, Tom Kent.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2012 22:11:35 GMT
Regards the Mozart disk - thanks for your vote of confidence.
I will look into the Bruckner disk you recommended. Regards.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Dec 2012 22:16:22 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Dec 2012 22:18:36 GMT
This is to reply to Mr. MALX...
I am glad you managed to get The Decca disk, enjoy it .
As for the rest of your comment - I can only repeat what I originally said, so, with your indulgence please, here it is again:
"It is pity that most readers of the Amazon comments do not attach much (or any) importance to the sonic property of a CD (probably out of ignorance or for lack of good playback systems, or lack of knowledge of how to listen and what to listen for, or simply because they can't hear very well anymore...)
And CD companies would take advantage of this situation and bring more and more inferior products to the market (making money on account of those hard of hearing...)"
It was true when my text was firstly published and it is even more true now...
My regards.

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