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Another attempt to save God from the Atheists,
This review is from: God's Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? (Paperback)
Most books by God-Savers are not very good at science. This guy is different. He really knows his stuff and it shows in this very interesting attempt the save God.
The main reason why God hangs on, however, is nothing to do with science. It is to do with human psychology. People are afraid of being alone in a cold dark universe, so even if science does find all the answers and leaves no gaps for God to occupy, there will still be a lot of believers in various magical ideas, God being only one of many.
The truth is, the God concept would not exist at all without humans.
Humans have existed for less than one hundredth of one percent of the time that the earth has existed and may soon become extinct (along with the God Concept).
As far as I can tell, there is no magic, other than trickery.
So exactly how does God do his tricks?
By what mechanism is God able to command things to do stuff just by his will alone?
Think about that before you give Mr Lennox some of your money.
Why is this intelligent man writing such books?
I bet he gives all his money to the poor, just like Jesus commanded!
Where does the Universe come from? Where did life come from? Ah, the age-old questions.
The answer is simple. We don't know and we may never know.
If someone finds out, they will get a Nobel Prize.
The really important question is "Does Prayer Work?"
This has been tested scientifically.
The result... I'll leave that up to you to find out!
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Initial post: 22 May 2013 07:38:45 BDT
Last edited by the author on 12 Jun 2013 15:18:12 BDT
Miss Miranda Oliver says:
Excellent review! Yes indeed, 'god' doesn't exist outside of language.
And as you say, when humans eventually become extinct, so will any ideas of the existence of a 'god' (who differs, depending on which part of our globe you were born - but whom you will then defend as 'your' god, and the 'one true god' etc.).
It's so clear to me (and to you obviously), so why can't others just see what's patently so obvious?!
As you say too, Mr Lennox seems to make a pretty penny churning out book after book recycling the same old ideas & beliefs about his imaginary friend.... ;-)
In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jun 2013 14:11:38 BDT
Thanks Miss Miranda, I didn't expect anyone to read, let alone respond! I enjoyed your response and it appears we are like-minded, i.e. bright and well educated.
One thing that has puzzled me for some time is that the famous Jesus didn't leave any writings himself and there are no contemporary reports of his tricks.
If he was truly the son of God, why didn't he leave us a set of DVDs ? Think how much better that would be than just rumors, later (much later) interpreted by
four unknown reporters who couldn't agree with each other on many seemingly important details.
I wish I had a time machine. Wouldn't it be great to interview Jesus (if that was his real name) ?
Also, I would like to know where he is buried. I have visited Beethoven's grave in Vienna and Chopin's grave in Paris.
I would like to visit Jesus' grave, but his "disciples" didn't bother to mark his grave, so I can't.
He was supposed to be the most important person that ever lived, but we don't know what he looked like!
We know what Aristotle looks like and he lived a long time before Jesus!
In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2013 15:11:31 BDT
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Miss Miranda Oliver says:
Thanks Ted :-)
Ha, I think the reason Jesus didn't leave any writings (& that no one can find his grave) is because he never existed anyway!
He's so obviously a 'composite' deity (as much of the bible is composite myths/texts, drawn from & borrowed from countless sources from a period stretching over hundreds of years). The fictional Jesus character seems to borrow very heavily from the Egyptian god Horus, who lived 3000 years prior to the invention of Jesus.
Horus was born of a virgin on the solstice, visited by 3 'wise' me, performed 'miracles', was later crucified... but rose again after 3 days etc. Now where have we heard all this before I wonder?
Jesus isn't even original!
Oh yeah... Jesus doesn't have a body to find anyway, as he rose bodily up to heaven at the ascension. Of course...
And millions of deluded people really believe all this stuff is true!!!! :-/
In reply to an earlier post on 6 Oct 2013 23:44:27 BDT
Mr. Daren Brown says:
Of course what you are applying is a materialist understanding of God as a human made concept. Your strange question of where Jesus might be buried just highlights your complete ignorance and lack of theological reading hence your misled questioning. Also, why is it important to you what Jesus looks like? And what do you really suppose you would ask God if you ever met him? If he made you then there are no questions that you can ask as he gave them to you in the first place. Please, please, please, stop asking stupid questions and learn something beyond a narrow materialist agenda!
In reply to an earlier post on 7 Oct 2013 17:35:51 BDT
The reason I raised the issues of Jesus' lack of writings, unknown appearance and unknown grave location is obvious to any thinking person. Presumably, Jesus had a very important message, but to leave no direct reliable traces, relying on the spurious reports passed on by word of mouth to later imaginative scribblers seems to me to be rather careless. We are supposed to believe that at his death, all the dead people in the region magically got out of their graves and wandered around, no doubt terrifying the local inhabitants and there were mighty earthquakes to add to the drama. Sadly, these events were missed by any contemporary historians. As to my "stupid questions", I can only respond by telling you that one of my teachers had the same trouble, but it didn't prevent my obtaining an honours degree at Loughborough University of Technology and remind you that many great discoveries have been made by asking so-called stupid questions. If I meet God, I shall ask him why he saw fit to kill innocent babies in the Great Flood.
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Zissimos Philippou says:
We know what Aristotle looked like but we don't know what Jesus looked like.We don't know what the Buddha (Siddhata Guotama) , Lao tzu or Confucius looked like....Did they not exist either? We don't know where they were buried but we do know Where John Lennon and Sigmund Freud were buried, so they did not exist? So all their amazingly great teachings, lectures etc were randomly made up by Some local village girl??? Who we don't know what she looked like or where she was buried??
In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2013 16:49:22 GMT
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It was common in ancient writings to ascribe sayings etc. to people from other sources because the author lacked the details they thought were required to make the story more interesting. For example, I doubt that Santa Claus ever said "Ho ho ho" or that he lives at the north pole and has a reindeer called Rudolf, but you must admit we like these details, even though they are made up. It's called fun.
It does seem odd to me that the most important person that ever lived and had very important things to tell the world never bothered to write anything down nor had his likeness recorded and his followers, who allegedly worshiped the very ground he walked on, never bothered to make a note of where he was buried or at least build a memorial. Instead we have to rely on copies of copies of stories by unknown authors who didn't agree with each other on many details and we know they made some stuff up, for example the magical birth (common idea used by many ancient writers about heroes). Also, we know that many of the sayings ascribed to Jesus (not his real name!) were pinched from earlier sources, not all of them religious (e.g. the golden rule). If you look at the invented list of ancestors of Jesus in the two books that give a list, you will notice significant discrepancies and in any case, they are supposed to prove that Jesus was a Son of David via his father, but that contradicts the magical conception. You know, of course that males have a "Y" chromosome, which could only have come from his father. I doubt that the holy spirit has any chromosomes!
Ask yourself this, do people make up stories? Was Santa Claus based on a real person? How about Robin Hood or Hercules?
Have any other gods been born of a virgin and died to save souls?
Did the Trojan war take place? Perhaps. Most scholars accept that Troy existed and think it has been located, but I doubt a wooden horse was used by the Greeks. Good story though!
And if you think people could not possible "worship" a character from a story, what about Jedi Knights ?
If Jesus was God, to whom did he pray when his cup was running over?
How could a god feel pain?
If the only path to salvation is through Jesus, what about people who lived before him and have never heard of him?
It seems obvious that salvation is arbitrary and therefore unworthy of an all-powerful loving god who sends most people to Hell.
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jan 2014 17:55:29 GMT
Those "amazing great teachings" include " The first shall be last and the last shall be first". I think the Olympic Committee might just have a little quibble with that idea and if you think you are saved, beware, Jesus said, " there is one thing you lack. Go, sell all that you have and give to the poor and follow me". He also said, "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword", and "If you do not hate your family and follow me, you are not worthy" and "love your enemies, love them that hate you, if a man steals your shirt, give him you coat also". This last one could be rendered as "If a terrorists fly planes into your World Trade Center, give them your city also". He didn't say, "go bomb some random Muslim country". Oh yes, these are indeed the Amazing Teachings of which you speak. How about, "Love thy neighbour as thyself" ? That's a good one. So how about loving Mexican's who sneak in at night? or how about loving descendents of slaves brought to America from the darkest Africa, because they are not human ? Hmmm ? If you really loved your neighbour, your partner and your neighbour's partner might have a thing or two to say about it. Besides, commanding love, on pain of death, my be appealing, but not very practical. You can't insist on love.
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