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World's first Atheist movie?,
This review is from: The Invention of Lying [DVD] (DVD)In the book The Atheist's Guide to Christmas, David Baddiel does a chapter on how there has never been an Atheist movie. He has a point as it is difficult to plot a fictional film, without some kind of 'epiphany' moment and, as this film demonstrates, good stories require imagination and, ultimately, lying.
This film dispenses with the need for a religious epiphany by making the epiphany instead into the discovery of lying and the ability to flatter others. There is also a sub plot where Gervais introduces the idea of eternal life and 'the man in the sky' to the truth loving people of planet Earth, who believe him because no-one has ever told a lie.
On top of this, this film has that rare quality of being an atheist comedy, being as it makes the idea of atheism being the truth into one of the key aspects of its humour.
Of course, there is much more to the film than just a narrow view-point on the world and it only struck me at the end of the film that it had this subtext.
Still, if you want to see a true world first - a movie (not a documentary) that tactfully deals with all things skeptical - then get DVD as it will also teach you that skeptical good sense will remain rare, despite its profound truth.
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Initial post: 21 Dec 2012 18:08:06 GMT
Last edited by the author on 21 Dec 2012 18:08:51 GMT
An interesting comment. You might consider the entertaining movie "Galaxy Quest." The premise is that a highly advanced civilisation can emerge not understanding lying, guile or aggression. It is a rather attractive idea and they too appear Godless.
In reply to an earlier post on 22 Dec 2012 00:39:49 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion - I've heard Galaxy Quest is a good film and is one of the better Sci-fi parodies around. Will check it out...
Posted on 23 Jul 2013 18:47:57 BDT
So you're conflating atheism with lying, nice work! Richard Dawkins will be proud! ;)
In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jul 2013 11:06:28 BDT
Only to the simple minded. :-p
If you watch the film, you would know that 'lying' is not as simply defined as you think it is.
In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jul 2013 17:50:26 BDT
Oh it is, lying is the devils work, God does not play... deception ;)
In reply to an earlier post on 24 Jul 2013 18:09:48 BDT
If religions told "the" truth why the did they invent blasphemy laws?
Sadly history shows that those that profess moral certainty based on religious teachings are some of the most morally bankrupt rogues we have had the misfortune to endure. I am not sure what is more repugnant - how very large numbers of priests abused children or how relentless was the Vatican's efforts to cover up those crimes.
QED - A life without "God" need not be amoral! Rock on Richard Dawkins
In reply to an earlier post on 25 Jul 2013 00:07:29 BDT
Last edited by the author on 25 Jul 2013 00:08:32 BDT
Christopher Hitchens (in Arguably) makes an interesting point with the 9th of the 10 Commandments (concerning lying):
"Do not present false witness against thy neighbour"
Hitchens comments that this commandment does not forbid presenting false witness *in favour* of your neighbour. If you think about this, lying is only really bad when it is selfish and injurious to someone. If it is selfless, and intended to benefit others (as illustrated in this film), then even the Bible / God concedes that it is no bad thing.
In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 19:02:23 BDT
Yes, but what did Christopher Hitchens really know? After all, he was just a left-wing windbag.
In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 19:44:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jul 2013 19:46:25 BDT
Franco a) have you read Hitchen's "God Is Not Great"? b) If so what is wrong with his arguments?
For me he makes some telling points - such as the 10 commandments - the foundation of Christian morality. They ignore slavery (the greatest evil of the time especially in the Roman world). They do not speak for children and women who have been victims of, rather than valued, by all religions. Uncomfortable truth?
Telling lies, yes but ignoring the truth is far worse. God has never played fair with the human race, then there are the lies.
In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jul 2013 20:37:11 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Jul 2013 20:41:39 BDT
No I haven't read it, nor do I intend to. But he was still a windbag who supported left-wing interventionist wars around the globe. Though I do not doubt the late man's intelligence. I saw a religious debate with him once, and he went up in my book by how well, and politely, he debated, even though I didn't agreed with everything he said. As for the 10 commandments, they do play big role in Christian tenets, but the "foundation of Christian morality"? Surely that would be the teachings of Jesus Christ, The Sermon on the Mount, the Resurrection etc.