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This review is from: The Case Against the Case for Christ: A New Testament Scholar Refutes Lee Strobel (Paperback)
Obviously the U.K 2011 laws are good and the Bible has many points which agree.
This is the sirloin steak of arguments against the supernatural claims of orthodox Christianity. I can remember as a teenager vaguely wishing that someone would explain the reasons why it was safe not to worry about extremist, pentecostal,Christ is going to return any minute now doctrine I was surrounded by . I was paralysed from asking or looking for such reasons by my desperation to believe, no matter what, to "be saved". My desperation was driven by fear. I think Robert M Price is humanities best friend. Price incinerates the arguments of orthodox fundamentalist Christianity. Price writes in a very clear, down to earth, witty, good humoured, easily read way. Sceptical anaylsis of the Bible turns it into a fascinating look at how the writings built up inspired by only a figment of peoples imagination.
The sections of this Good book are
Part 1. Examining the wreckage .Chapters:
1.The Utter lack of eyewitness evidence. The gospels are not Biographies
2. Testing the evidence of the gospels. Do the gospels stand up to scrutiny
3. The Manuscript evidence; Do we have what the evangelists originally wrote?
4. No Corroborating evidence; no reporters covered Jesus Beat
5. The stones keep mum. How archaeology digs up a world without Jesus
6. A butt-load of evidence. The Jesus seminar and mainstream Biblical research
Part 2 Using Jesus as a ventriloquist's dummy. Chapters:
7 The identity crisis. Did Jesus memorize the Nicene creed
8 The psychology of heresy. Must Apologists be crazy when they say Jesus Believed he was God
9 The piffle evidence. Could a finite Jesus correspond in any way to an infinite God
10 The finger-paint evidence. A mess of messianic prophecy
Part 3.Rationalizing the Resurrection. Chapters:
11 Dead man walking. The swoon theory
12 The evidence of the empty argument. Was Jesus body ever in a tomb
13 The appearance of evidence. Was Jesus seen in line at Burger King (of kings)
14 The circumcision evidence. Is a supernatural resurrection the best explanation for folks no longer trimming their sons' foreskins?
Conclusion; the failure of apologetics
When I was a child my minister threatened me that if I went away from (his doctrine of ) christianity I would never be able to return and would realise my mistake too late and weep and wail. Well that is mental abuse but I suppose I shouldn't have been so gullible, naive and fearful. Courage brother do not stumble. Robert Price seems to have started off life in a similar Fundamentalist camp but was brave and read through all the arguments for and against. I weep and wail now that I didn't ask a librarian or a bookseller if they knew of books which gave all the arguments against the Bible. I wish I'd said nonsense to the Christian myth when I was a child. Snakes don't talk. The Miracles were fiction.
Having said that, what does it mean "to walk away from Christianity"? I believe the UK 2011 laws are the best that man is likely to devise. There are ideas in the Bible which are similar to the UK law. In fact the O.T. puts its laws in a more definite, assertive way than UK law. The O.T. puts the laws as commands, Do not.., You shall not/ should not/ must not... Maybe alot of people like that way of talking and maybe it is something that they didn't hear from their parents. The Bible affirms some of the laws/rules that you believe to be good. It also affirms ideas such as love your neighbour and treat them as you wish to be treated. This could be good for children if they do not have a fully reasoned argument for and against particular behaviours. However why not read the UK laws more often in public, they are the relevant ones for now. I get the feeling from Robert Price that he thinks love is the guiding star and thing to aim for. Price has a great sense of morality. If there is a loving Good God then nothing will separate us from that God, not even believing God doesn't exist.
You can get most of the arguments from cheaper books like "Why I became an atheist" by John W Loftus and "Trusting doubt" by Valerie Tarico but this book gives top quality arguments by Price and well worth the price. I think the verdict is that you can relax, there probably is no God.
However it is possible to imagine an ideal personality that you aim to be like;
loving, caring, strong, intelligent, good at making decisions, creative, patient, kind. Maybe this is what people call Christ, that probably is a good thing.
An observation typical of Robert Price is that he notices a contradiction between Matt 28v19 which has Jesus tell the 11 disciples to "make disciples of all nations " but Acts 10 has Peter wonder if the gospel is just for Jews. Acts 10 does not have Peter wonder, "what did Jesus at Matt 28v19 mean ", no, it is as if Matt 28v19 words never happened. Could it be that they hadn't been made up at that point ?
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Initial post: 30 Sep 2011 21:37:16 BDT
Happy Kitten says:
In reply to an earlier post on 31 Oct 2011 14:40:11 GMT
Amazon Customer says:
The chapter headings highlight a problem - no Biblical scholar would suggest that the Gospels are biography, but no serious historian would say that there were no credible eyewitnesses either. methinks the author is reading the gospels through the lens of his philosophical atheist perspective.
Posted on 20 Nov 2011 21:57:53 GMT
No one can write a book and prove there is no God. God is far bigger than we as humans can fathom and yet we try and pin Him down to our level. Isn't it better to read the Bible with an open mind and learn about this God, not blindly following 'made up stories' like some think it is, but a book which is more historicaly accurate than many history textbooks. A book like no other that shows us how we can come to know God for ourselves.
Posted on 25 Nov 2011 23:30:39 GMT
I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience, such experiences are extremely damaging and distressing; you are right, it is mental abuse. I'm glad that you have some peace now in your world view and completely understand why you'd want to hold Christianity at arms length. But would you consider all of medicine wrong because some doctors are bad?
In reply to an earlier post on 31 Dec 2011 12:12:29 GMT
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Robert J. Goris says:
Yeah sure Becca... No one can write a book and prove there is no Giant Spaghetti Monster. The Giant Spaghetti Monster is far bigger than we as humans can fathom and yet we try and pin Him down to our level. Isn't it better to read Mother Goose with an open mind and learn about this Giant Spaghetti Monster, not blindly following 'made up stories' like some think it is, but a book which is more historicaly accurate than many history textbooks. A book like no other that shows us how we can come to know the Giant Spaghetti Monster for ourselves. I've made my point.
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Nov 2012 00:47:59 GMT
It's the FLYING Spaghetti Monster, you heathen blasphemer!
In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2012 17:23:57 GMT
Queen's Gambit says:
That's only because of the great pasta schism where the justified holy defenders of the flying SM, helped the great SM followers to see the light with the help of excruciation. Of course we now see this to be fully justified, and indeed helpful to those heretics, considering the threat to their noodly souls from this heinous heresy.
Posted on 19 Sep 2013 15:12:54 BDT
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Mr. Steven C. Watson says:
Price is rebutting a journalist; not a biblical scholar, a disingenuous apologist journo with an agenda at that.
Your run-of-the-mill xtian, never mind the fundies, thinks the gospels are biographies.
Read Paul; neither his Cephas, James nor Peter are eyewitnesses; all of them came by their Christ through visions and trawling the Jewish writings for proofs.
The gospels are anonymous writings dating forty to sixty years after the supposed events and after a cataclysmic war that killed, enslaved and scattered to the four winds a large number of the folk who could dispute them; nevermind that even without this the life expectancy of the population would be about forty five and any eyewitnesses long dead anyways.
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