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A failiure of the imganition...,
This review is from: Live 1973 - 2007 (Audio CDs and NTSC format DVD) (Audio CD)
It is, of course, entirely fair that musicians should follow their muses at the expense of fans' expectations. Resort to giving 'em what they want and the artistic spirit stultifies in a welter of focus groups. But when the artifact in question is a premium-priced box set of Genesis live albums (never the place for the casual fan to dip their toes in give-or-take a James Brown) it might be, for once, time to find out what would be happily acceptable to people who have already bought the albums thrice already (vinyl/hissy rushed CDs/remastered CDs). It appears that for this project the focus groups must have been cancelled after a nasty rail strike or swine flu scare...
After the exemplary reissue of the Gabriel era studio material - complete with hours of live TV footage, unreleased material etc - this seems to have disappointed the hardcore fans. Perhaps the best way to explain why is to list the obvious shortcomings:
Back in the day live albums were rarely able to contain whole concerts due to the time-limitations of vinyl. Now a double CD contains long enough for pretty much everyone bar Springsteen or the Grateful Dead to document the 'Go to Whoah' experience, complete with asides, links and the originally sequenced setlist.
They seem to have borne this kind of detail in mind with a chronologically resequenced 1992 live set and a formerly piecemeal 1973 Gabriel-era show. Elsewhere, though, the project reeks of missed opportunities. Their 1972 'Genesis Live' set exists as a complete show, but has not been fleshed out here. 1977's Seconds Out and 1982's Three Sides Live remain partial, non-chronological highlights of full shows, which are presumably gathering dust somewhere.
Only five tracks in total make their official debut on this box set. No filmed footage from the vaults is included either, unlike preceding studio box sets. Virgin are planning a box of previous live DVDs, hence, I guess the absence here. But at £80+ for this set, it all feels (like the separate mono and stereo Beatles remaster boxes) a little mean-spirited.
In purely musical terms there is much here to delight, and I am sure that the remastered material will sparkle (I am commenting pre-release here with a notional three stars). Fans have long talked about the Genesis live experience in quasi-religious terms. Perhaps the best advice for those curious about all that fuss is to sample the superlative 1977 live set Seconds Out, which merges the pomp of the Collins-era with the whimsy of reworked Gabriel material, to delightful effect. Even the NME loved it - and at the height of punk too ...
In the era of 'help yourself' file sharing and downloading, the music industry knows that ticket sales and 'luxury artifacts' are two of its last remaining cash cows. Alas, it's Genesis zealots and not the archives that are being milked on this occasion.
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Initial post: 10 Aug 2009 11:37:07 BDT
So let's get this straight, not only have they not restored the legendary lost version of Supper's Ready from the Genesis-Live-related radio broadcast, they HAVEN'T EVEN remembered to include the live b-side version of THE EVIL JAM (THE WAITING ROOM)?
The latter omission, singlehandedly, makes this boxed set a waste of money, plastic and electricity.
Posted on 10 Aug 2009 12:30:43 BDT
Lee A. Lythgoe says:
Agree with everything that has been said.....Genesis, and their management should be ashamed at insulting their loyal fans with this poultry attempt. Phil Collins even has the nerve to criticize people for buying bootlegs, well we wouldnt need to if you released the things that we want to hear
In reply to an earlier post on 30 Aug 2009 06:40:54 BDT
Philip A.Cohen says:
You mean "Paltry". "Poultry" refers to chicken, turkey, duck etc.
Posted on 11 Sep 2009 16:12:37 BDT
John S. says:
I won't be buying this on principle. Having bought all the albums and then all the cds and most of the dvds I don't see there's much they can do now to tempt the cash out of my wallet!
In reply to an earlier post on 23 Sep 2009 14:23:53 BDT
G. Corner says:
Well, I think Lee nailed it with poultry; this thing's a turkey. Definitely NOT buying and especially at the asking price. A shocker. The teats of the cash cow are getting well and truly yanked this time round.
Posted on 23 Sep 2009 14:26:58 BDT
G. Corner says:
Who are they trying to kid? Been discussing this on the Genesis forum of late and I am truly amazed at the number of people prepared to hand over the readies for what must be one of the worst re-release packages in years. This ought to have been on the market at half the price. £80-odd? Please, get the good stuff out the archives, find the time to do it properly and ditch this junk. Been a fan for decades but this is a non-starter. £20 a title? EMI are taking the p*ss.
Posted on 30 Sep 2009 19:29:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Sep 2009 19:31:22 BDT
r. f. says:
YOU ARE SO WRONG!!!
HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE , HAVE ACTUALLY HEARD THIS BOX SET???????????????????
I have and even in STEREO ONLY , you have NO IDEA how great this is.
It also answers ALL of your questions posted here. I GUESS YOU HAVEN'T READ THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY , EH??? It is in the booklet that comes with the box set!!!!
In reply to an earlier post on 25 Oct 2009 23:19:55 GMT
Mr. R. Craddock says:
Having been an ardent Genesis fan for 40 years,yes thats right,40 YEARS, "I Know What I Like", and what I want to complete my considerable collection is a lot more than this! And at this price,it definately ain't this!! G.Corner is dead right! Music companies continue to take the p*ss out of us!! Regan,how long have you been a fan? Since "Invisible Touch"!?! I'm afraid you're talking out or your a*se!!
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