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A little disappointing - underwhelmed by Blu Ray,
This review is from: Panasonic DMP-BD65EB-K Blu-Ray Disc Player (Electronics)I bought this player on the recommendation of a few friends of mine who work in Richer Sounds. They said they thought it was the best player in the shop (picture wise), and start up wise it was very quick.
It came with a quick start sticker on it saying 0.5 secs - I'm not sure this is true, but so far when I've used it I've put the disc in first, switched on the TV and by the time the TV is on the right channel the Blu Ray menu is up and the film is waiting to play.
The dvd upscaling is a little dissapointing - to be honest I felt they looked better on my old DVD player, but Blu Rays do look good. Not as incredible as I'd hoped, but pretty good. Can I see a marked improvement over DVD? Yes but not a huge difference. Also sometimes it looks a little pixelated and digital for my tastes, but that might be the new 50'' TV I have too, which has yet to be broken in properly.
That makes it kind of hard for me to give a decent, honest review I suppose as I can't compare picture quality to what I had before, as my whole set-ups new. But all in all, I don't have any major grumbles about this player - I just was expecting Blu Ray to be a bit more stunning. Is it worth the extra money for Blu Ray disks? I don't know - They aint cheap and I'm not sure what I've seen convinces me they're worth the extra money when DVDs are so cheap nowdays.
I'd do some more research before buying this player, there might be something better out there. LG for instance are meant to be excellent, and I should have perhaps gone for one of them wich was my second choice and my friends joint 1st recommendation - but this player's OK.
*** UP DATE***
I have since had a bit more time to watch a few more Blu Rays on my machine and I would say that now I notice the difference between Blu Ray and DVD much more. I still feel the DVD upscaling is a bit disappointing, but I think the Blu Ray picture is pretty good and much better than I perhaps gave it credit for... my score is edging towards 4 stars overall now I think, but what I wrote before still stands - I'd still do just that little more research. Then you can be sure that if you do buy this machine, you bought the best choice for you. Overall - I'm still happy with it - it's not 'knock me off my feet' great, but I'm beginning to enjoy it more and more with each film I think.
You might also be interested to know that I looked into getting my player chipped or adapted so that it plays Multi-region disks, but was informed by the shop that this model is turning out to be particularly difficult to hack. That was when the machine was new out though, and if you check out the comments for this review, someone has left a link for a place that will do it.
*** UP DATE ON THE UP DATE***
I've had the player about a month now. My New TV has broken in which has helped too I think, and I've also had a chance to watch more Blu Rays and a few old favourite DVDs - so I can now tell properly if the DVD upscaling makes that much difference.
I have to say that now I think it does. Having watched a few DVDs I know back to front, I can safely say that they do look better played on this machine. Sharper. Crisper. Brighter. Better.
I'm now thoroughly enjoying the Blu Ray experience too now, as I know the type of film to pick and enjoy to make the most of the Blu Ray experience. I have to say that with this format it really is essential, and in some way quite refreshing, because you almost now enjoy films that you once thought mediocre, because now they just look so fantastic.
Did I just say fantastic? I guess I did? Well that can mean only one thing...
I've now changed my rating from my original 3 stars to 4 stars, as I'm now firmly in the 4 star 'like it a lot' camp, as apposed to the 3 star 'it's OK' gang. I'd still say look into it further - it can't hurt - but I can now safely say you won't be disappointed if you buy this player.
If this has helped at all give it a thumbs up.
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Initial post: 14 Aug 2010 07:20:17 BDT
I. Welham says:
I think this is a useful post and the 'The truth is how it is' has been very honest in his/her assessment. I think much of the initial disappointment (prolly 95%) has been due not to the player, but the fact the television was also new. Both Plasma and LCD (or LED which uses the same panel technology as LCD) require some weeks to properly 'run-in', and the pictures to become totally clear and sharp, the colours to settle down. This is roughly 200 hours for Plasma and slightly less for LCD. It's worth bearing this in mind.
In reply to an earlier post on 17 Aug 2010 14:59:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 17 Aug 2010 15:00:54 BDT
I agree - or rather - you're spot on of your assessment of my review.
I think the new TV did have a lot to answer for in my original view of Blu Ray, but even more than that, I think I was expecting too much of the format - having had more time with the player now and watching films on this medium, I realise that the improvement between DVD and Blu Ray is a lot more subtle than I was expecting at first. I was expecting a huge revelation; the next step - as big as the leap from VHS to DVD, but that just isn't the case. However, once you know what to look for and where to 'see' the 'High Def' you notice it a lot more. I'm glad you found my review helpful in someway, and I hope it has helped you in someway decide on what player to pick for yourself.
Thanks for commenting and happy viewing :-)
Posted on 6 Sep 2010 07:34:24 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Sep 2010 07:54:01 BDT
H S Marks says:
Its the TV I can assure you and also maybe your choice of films. I used a projector I will ONLY buy PANASONIC BD players (you can get the DVD section multi-region moded go to (Genuine Copies and get a hack remote).
The images get a so way superior to any panel TV. But also note that since 2003 a regime in post production has set in called DIGITAL INTERMEDIATE with the habit of creating fake scope aspect ratios and causing major resolution drop plus now DI work is being done for Warners in Mumbai video sweatshop. The best looking BD's are the earlier releases of pre2004 movies or recent European films that are in 1.85:1 or 1.78:1 . PANAVISION
movies from the 70's look like film on my projector. Also like DVD there is both good and bad mastering and authoring.
reference quality BD
I've Loved You So Long [Blu-ray]
Sophie Scholl [Blu-ray]
Passage to India [Blu-ray] [US Import] [Region A]
Don't worry this US disc is open area will play on a UK B zone player.
Good Night, And Good Luck [Blu-ray]
Go to Amazon France and get the France issue of TELL NO ONE product search for
NE LE DIS A PERSONNE. Yes more expensive than UK one but better quality both
sound and vision. English subtitles inc. You have do two menu selections pick your audio and then go back in and pick subtitles or visaversa.
From AMAZON.DE / AMAZON GERMANY
The 4 hour version of DANCES WITH WOLVES audio track 2 is DTS original English with English subtitles for the Lakota dialogue
The Omega Man [Blu-ray]  [Region Free]
2001 - A Space Odyssey [Blu-ray] [Region Free]
In reply to an earlier post on 6 Sep 2010 09:36:18 BDT
Yes, I know what you mean about the watching the right film for Blu Ray...
Thanks for your advice - I might pick up Kubrick's 2001. Overall now though, I'm happy with my player.
In reply to an earlier post on 6 Sep 2010 16:15:13 BDT
Last edited by the author on 6 Sep 2010 16:23:37 BDT
H S Marks says:
The other thing is default menu settings did you go thru all available settings. In my experience people do not have a clue. I own a number of PANASONIC EX75 dvd recorders
bought off ebay. Not one person who was the prior owner ever saw or heard the picture and sound quality it was capable of. I knew this by what they had the default menus set to.
2001 is more impressive for PCM sound than image the other titles especially the first 6
I mentioned are what you should own.
First two titles are essential to know what film really looks like in a decent ratio and they are brilliant films.
Posted on 25 Oct 2010 08:53:12 BDT
If you type in on Google for a hack for this model, there is a great company in the uk called http://www.genuinecopies.tv/, who for just £9.99 will send you a remote control that will set it up your unit as multi region in no more than about 2 minutes. It will also hack up to 8 units. It works on every Region 1 disc I have.
Posted on 9 Mar 2012 18:57:32 GMT
W. Davis says:
I didn't quite understand the 'pixellated and digital' remark. With a higher aspect ratio, jaggies should be less prominent, so in essence, the opposite should be experienced. In any case one cannot deny videos ARE digital looking through and through.
Would you care to explain what you mean when you say your TV is "broken in"?
I can understand the concept of speakers burning in, but televisions? No. Sounds like a myth, or concoction to make you feel better about your purchase by justifying its current condition by stating as 'not at its prime'
In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2012 20:00:36 GMT
Last edited by the author on 9 Mar 2012 22:27:29 GMT
I'll do my best to answer you questions.
Keeping in mind this was written a long time ago, now I don't fully remember my thought process at the time, but I kind of remember watching something on an upscaled DVD and the car headlights looking very digitised and pixilated. I also remember watching Lost and the sea in the background looking the same. It looked made up of blocks.
As far as I'm aware Plasma screen do need time to settle in too. Much like speakers. Which is why you're advised in the instructions not to adjust the colour or contrast for the first month or 30 hours of watching or whatever it is.
Overall, now, having had more time with my system and having watched many different films on it, I can say I am very happy with it and that the picture looks great - with the right film. Some Blurays are better than others.
If you are thinking of buying this machine though, I would have no hesitation in recommending it.
In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2012 17:24:08 GMT
I. Welham says:
As 'The Truth' says, new tv's need to 'run in'. This is true for Lcd and particularly so, for Plasma. Lcd/led takes around 30-50 hours and Plasma around 200hours. Until a screen is 'run in' the colour sharpness and general picture sharpness is far from what it should be. Pixels appear to 'bleed' colour around their edges and this gives a fuzziness to the picture. That's often why when you go to a tv showroom and view a Plasma and an Lcd/led set side by side the Plasma picture won't look quite so good unless the set has been on display for 3-4 weeks with continuous use. But once run in the difference can be stark with plasma giving a bright sharp picture equal to the best lcd/led sets.
I'm glad 'The Truth' is happy with his picture. Me too!