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5.0 out of 5 stars a reminder of the greatness of a supreme conductor, 18 Aug 2007
This review is from: Beethoven - Symphony No 7. (Audio CD)
An absolutely thrilling performance. Less light than the Carlos Kleiber
studio recording with the VPO. Here we have Kleiber and the Bayerisches Staatsorchester at white heat. Perfectionists and authenticists would not like it, but music lovers who can get entranced by inspirational music making, rooted in artistry and not musicology, would love it. The "allegretto" is intensely dramatic and the 4th movement "allegro con brio" is of a sweeping beauty.
This cd is a reminder of how irreplaceable is the loss of Carlos Kleiber, the last conductor of a bygone golden era.
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Initial post: 6 Aug 2012 12:32:47 BDT
J. Forbes says:
It's the man who is irreplaceable (in your view), not his loss. This sort of elementary error suggests a muddled mind.

And please try to stop whingeing about musicology. You may not agree with everything that has come out of the study of music, but your apparent vendetta against people who are simply trying to expand our knowledge is tiresome.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Jul 2013 23:43:25 BDT
G Pelloni says:
ok. I expressed myself improperly However the proper expression would have been how irreplaceable was the conductor Carlos Kleiber (not the man as I did not know him personally and his loss at personal level should not mean much to me ( and guess you unles you were a friend) beyond normal natural human compassion for other human beings).
I would appreciate the style and finesse of your comments here as elsewhere !!! However as elsewhere you are unable to make a case for your point of view and use only "simple" rudeness to support your view. Intolerance is not a signal in many dimensions. Next time please try o be more articulate and support your case with a reasonable argument. By the way there is nothing personal in my distaste the the "historically informed movement". I just do not like its dogmatism, intolerance and rigidity of approach. I also find the self-indulgence of many of its supporters amusing if occasionally irritating. At times I like performances also under the "authenticist" umbrella. In that it is not the a priori ideological beliefs of the interpreter that attracts me, but his/her artistry in approaching the truth" of the music (not of a the score or a style).

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Jul 2013 21:28:52 BDT
J. Forbes says:
It's interesting that you affect to dislike "dogmatism, intolerance, and rigidity of approach". If asked to describe YOUR attitude to music, I might choose very similar words.

You are quick to condemn others for perceived rudeness, but accusing everybody who is exploring how music sounded in it's own time as dogmatic, intolerant and rigid is also rude.

You need to ligten up, old chap, and broaden your outlook a little.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Aug 2013 20:33:32 BDT
G Pelloni says:
As before you do not substantiate your arguments. You use only slogans ( and not very good ones) plus a ( very ) weak defence of your rudeness. you continue to be rude anyway. Please try harder.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Aug 2013 22:53:44 BDT
J. Forbes says:
You're rambling, old chap. I wasn't arguing anything; just pointing out your hypocrisy.

As far as I am concerned, you are very welcome to enjoy your 19th C. approach to performance. All I ask is that you kindly extend the same forbearance to those who prefer a different approach.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Aug 2013 17:16:24 BDT
G Pelloni says:
your rudeness is in a one to one correspondence with your lack of substance in argument.
you are the one who is rambling with no substance and total lack of tolerance.
you are too boring ( too little "vibrato") and empty of substance ( no understanding of "harmonic tension" )to continue this dialogue.
enjoy your barren attitude and aesthetics.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Aug 2013 11:29:31 BDT
J. Forbes says:
Well, that little rant was certainly full of substance. It's just a pity that the substance was bile. Now lighten up, as I have suggested before. There's no point in getting worked up over an Internet conversation with a person you don't know.
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