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1.0 out of 5 stars Why dont Art Gallerys crop artworks that dont meet some marketing aesthetic?, 13 Oct 2008
This review is from: Thunderbirds: The Complete Collection [Blu-ray] (Blu-ray)
How could they crop the 4:3 image to 16:9? Taking an artwork and chopping off bits for no good reason? Whoever was responsible for that decision should be fired. Its as bad as pan-n-scanning widescreen material. And whoever put this package together is so out of touch, that the character in the background of the cover, who is positioned in a mysterious pose in the top right, is actually Kirano the Tracy family's chef!? Maybe the clueless person putting the design together confused this with the character who should be there - the villian "The Hood" ???

This title needs to be rereleased on blu-ray in proper pillar-boxed 4:3, with redone hidef supplements and corrected cover art. Cmon this is a classic art work not the Teletubbies!
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Initial post: 10 Sep 2009 10:05:53 BDT
fatfox says:
You may well be right about the cover designer not knowing the series, and the image of Kyrano may have been chosen for looks rather than plot importance. It would certainly make more sense to feature The Hood. But you are surely incorrect in your implication that the chef was a harmless character. Kyrano was (albeit unwillingly) the catspaw of his villainous brother, and on more than one occasion sabotaged one Thunderbird or another, which did make him sinister in fact rather than mere appearance.

Posted on 9 Jul 2012 17:54:25 BDT
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Posted on 5 Feb 2013 12:44:29 GMT
Doughty says:
As harsh-sounding as your suggestion may appear that the person responsible for cropping should be fired, I think it's completely valid, especially from Carlton's perspective. Indeed, Carlton and other supposedly commercial organizations repeatedly making these mistakes will experience damaged profitability on their entire back-catalogues if they don't sort this seemingly endless series of Blu-ray travesties out.

If I want to crop 4:3 to 16:9 I can do so myself with the TV's ratio button. I would normally, as a matter of course, purchase the much more expensive Blu-ray releases but in this case, as in so many where the production is poor, I'll wait for the DVD price to drop and wait longer still for a decent HD version, assuming they ever get around to publishing them - both causing financial pain to Carlton.

If publishers worked just a little closer with their fan groups (aka customers) they might add material value and profitability to their entire IP stock. Consumers, especially those of niche products, are not idiots.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 16:19:04 BDT
Ian Tapp says:
The Bluray series that appeared in today's Amazon ad is listed as 4:3. Is this misleading?

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 20:15:03 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Apr 2013 22:29:23 BDT
Steve says:
The Blu-ray box set is in 16.9 (TV aspect ratio 1.78:1), don't let that put you off- it looks very good in HD -

Thunderbirds was shot as if it was a live action show - they made no concession because of the puppets! - In other words, just like other shows where you see an actor's head shot cropped (top and bottom), you will see that in Thunderbirds

Regards

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 20:35:53 BDT
Ian Tapp says:
I have previously seen a set that was butchered as you describe. This one absolutely states Aspect Ratio: 4:3 - 1.33:1 so either Amazon are lying or there is a new set. As for being put off by the 16:9 version, yes, it would absolutely put me off.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Apr 2013 21:05:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 Apr 2013 13:49:20 BDT
Steve says:
What Amazon have done is combine the information for both the Blu-ray & DVD releases, the Blu-ray set is definitely
in the 16.9 TV standard (It is the same set that I already have)

What I would suggest is rent a disc (Love film?), from the set and see what you think, if the composition was that bad I would say so!

For example, Films were/are delivered to cinemas in the full frame (or square) 1.37:1 `flat' Academy ratio format, the film image is then cropped in the projector by means of an aperture mask in the projector's gate, which is how the Widescreen (1.85:1) image you see sitting in the auditorium is created!

Thunderbirds was shot exactly the same way, when the show was telecined in the sixties the aperture plate was removed
from the projectors gate giving you the full frame image (1.37:1), which was roughly the same aspect ratio as a 4.3 TV screen (1.33:1)

Now we have TV screens akin to a cinema screen, so all they do now is put the aperture plate back in!

Or think of it this way, if 16.9 TV's were available in the sixties, Thunderbirds would have been shown then,
the way it is available now, on Blu-ray in the 16.9 TV standard (1.78:1)

Regards

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Dec 2013 23:07:26 GMT
S J Buck says:
When an aperture plate is used the director and cinematographer know this and shoot accordingly. Thunderbirds was not shot in that way and the blurays should be in 4:3 (or 1.37:1 if you wish). There is no justification for the loss of 1/3 of the image.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Dec 2013 11:27:43 GMT
Steve says:
Thank you for your comments

You could argue that ALL films are made in Academy ratio as the 1.37:1 image is roughly a square
Films are delivered to Cinemas on 2000 Ft reels with the square image intact - it is only then, when the film is to be projected, with the aperture plate in place, that you get the standard '1.85:1' WideScreen image that you see sitting in the auditorium

cinema photographers will compose their shots for widescreen, but "protect" the full (1.37:1) image from things such as microphones and other filming equipment

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Mar 2014 03:36:27 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Mar 2014 03:37:40 GMT
Leonard Smit says:
Sorry Steve - I've watched episodes of the 4:3 (DVD) image back-to-back with same wide-screen (Blu-ray) episodes, and although the the Blu-ray image looks fabulous, it doesn't compensate for the loss of portions of the image. I agree with Doughty - release in 4:3 and leave it to the viewer to decide whether to watch it this way or use the TV's zoom option to 'convert' the image to wide-screen. The people who are happy with the top and bottom crop are unlikely to be particularly concerned (may not even notice!) the drop in resolution. Won't be buying this release.
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