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Only the yellow cover 'Ivor The Engine' DVD is actually complete!,
This review is from: Ivor The Engine (DVD)
The 1 star is only for the ( defective - as I will explain ) blue cover DVD -
It is 5 stars for the yellow cover DVD
& for Ivor in general! :
If anyone's thinking of buying this blue cover edition of the 'complete' Ivor The Engine DVD-
( its release date was in early-ish 2005) Its probably best NOT to!
This is because it was a faulty release -
& is actually incomplete - with about 8 missing episodes
(of the 24 episodes which should be on it).
The running time is only 2 hours 6 minutes but should be 3 hours 6 minutes (approx).
( On the DVD box is says it is 3 hours 6 minutes but this is NOT the case )
Accordingly, in 2005 Univeral studios who released this DVD withdrew it & re-issued it later in 2005
( with the missing episodes properly re-instated ) & then again [ it would appear] in early 2006:
These later correct & actually complete DVDs of the colour Ivor The Engine films have a yellow cover - so that's the one to get.
The yellow one is quite cheap & this deleted/withdrawn blue one is expensive -
but if you are a collector who wants a different sleeve or whatever;
be aware of the nature of the ( about one third incomplete ) blue cover one as mentioned!
To complicate things a bit - here at Amazon it says that the yellow cover DVD is 140 minutes long - this is wrong; it is the correct & complete 186 minutes ( 3 hours 6 minutes ) as mentioned
Incidentally the earlier vhs tape of the Complete Ivor the Engine, like the later yellow cover DVD, contains all the episodes - ie it is also approximately 3 hours 6 minutes long
( It also might be worth saying the following information -
Of the 24 episodes mentioned above; some of these are longer episodes than the rest:
This is because in the original 1970's colour broadcasts there were 40 [ or maybe 39 - its hard to get the exact info even with the internet ] 5-minute episodes [ possibly more like 4 & a half minutes long ].
Later on Oliver Postgate with some of these original 5-minute episodes edited two or more of them [ up to 4 or 5 at most probably ] into single episodes -
He did this because due to a direct continuation of a storyline in those instances it made good aesthetic sense.
As far as I am aware nothing absolutely essential was left out in this editing process
[ only opening & closing credits - & any repeated scenes - were omitted;
& any repeated scenes would almost certainly have been identical in content to those in the preceding episode; due to the low-budget time-intensive nature of the work ].
Of course ideally it would be nice to see them all additionally as 5-minuters with those missing title sequences etc - but the editing works well I think. )
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Initial post: 6 May 2013 09:26:58 BDT
Larson E. Whipsnade says:
Thank you so much, that was very helpful. I have been 'making do' with the VHS for many years because of the confusion about the different releases, but now I have bought the 'yellow' DVD and it does indeed have the full content. The most confusing thing (which you don't mention) is that, judging from the reviews, the Clangers/Bagpuss/Ivor triple pack (release 2007(!)) contains the truncated version - even though it shows the yellow artwork on its cover.
By the way, the 24 episodes presented on the correct DVD are made (respectively) from 1,1,2,1,4,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,5,1,1,2,1,2,1
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Glad to be of help.
Having only the single individual DVD releases of Ivor/Clangers/Bagpuss
I wasn't aware that the triple pack is incomplete as mentioned.
Thanks for clarifying re originally 40 '5-minute' episodes:
In the past when I combed the internet for info on this, some places said 39 & some said 40.
A little off-topic but I just wish the 14 episodes of 'Pogles Wood' which have not been released on DVD ( & only one of those 14 was ever released on vhs ) would be given a release.
These episodes are nearly all of series one:
From that series only 'Cake Crumbs' is out on DVD
( & 'Honey Bees' was out on VHS ) -
So that means 11 of the 13 Series One episodes have never had any release.
And the same is true for 2 of the 13 Series Two episodes
( 'Bears In The Wood' & 'Roundabouts' from Series Two have never been released in any format ).
When Mr Postgate was alive he didn't really want to release these episodes apparently;
but about 2 & a half years ago at an animation festival I spoke to his son ( I forget if it is Daniel or Steven Postgate ) who is sorting out his father's film legacy & who was not aware that these ones hadn't come out;
I explained about his father's reluctance but he said that wouldn't be a problem & he'd look into it.
And of course he is keen for the original black & white Ivors to be released - ( re the b/w Ivors ; this was widely reported in the media when he came across these when sorting through his Dad's things ) although I've heard nothing more about either of these issues since then.
( incidentally his father was also apparently reluctant to release the b/w Ivors ie not just the episodes of 'Pogles Wood' as mentioned )
Likewise 3 or so years ago Loaf who runs the Dragons Friendly Society ( who have released the b/w Smallfilms work on DVD ) said at a BFI event that The Seal of Neptune/ The Mermaids Pearls series would definitely be out on DVD in their entirety
( I think he said in about a year from then ) -
But I have heard no further news on this since.
Which is a shame as I would love to see all these works - & all other unreleased Smallfilms material as well.
Posted on 19 Dec 2013 19:16:12 GMT
Have you tried flipping the disc? I only say because I have some DVD's from abroad that fit 8 hours of film on them but you have to flip it over, which, strangely is similar to the title of one of the films...
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