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How should we look at "extra ecclesia nulla salus" today as a new era of evangelisation begins. Theology from a a much respected author.
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Initial post: 19 Dec 2012 12:53:31 GMT
Last edited by the author on 19 Dec 2012 12:55:11 GMT
Mr. Richard Aladics:
The real question is: What does it mean to be "saved"?
When the rich young ruler asked Jesus what he had to do to be "saved" Jesus merely replied he should obey 5 out of the 10 commandments: do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal and lie; honor your parents.
Strangely, (avoiding the one about honoring one's parents) most of the commandments have laws. In the West adultery is not against criminal law, though their may be civil penalties. Much of Western Law centers around the fact that lying, stealing and killing people for malice are against the law.
Hence Jesus was stating that to be "saved" merely meant obeying the law. He didn't go on about a load of meaningless "sacraments", which have little or no use for saving anyone!
But then Jesus wasn't a Catholic; he was Jew!
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jan 2013 21:28:05 GMT
The Wanderer says:
Honrus, your comment makes no sense in the context of discussing Ralph Martin's book, nor indeed in trying to justify your assertion about salvation. How modern western law is the interpretative key for the actions of Jesus nearly 2000 years ago is beyond me. (P.S since you brought it up, Jn 6:50-71&Lk22:19 seem very sacramentally important actions for eternal life to me!)
In reply to an earlier post on 21 Jan 2013 08:58:44 GMT
"So Cain went from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden." (Genesis 4:16) "Nod" means "wandering. With a name like "The Wanderer" it seems to me that you are far from being saved!
John 6:50 talks about "bread coming down from heaven". The risen Christ is accessed through prayer based on a correct knowledge of God (his Word). In other words, even if you are nowhere near a church you can still feed on God in your heart - if you have a correct relationship with him.
Lying, cheating, stealing and having sex with anyone you choose (especially someone else's spouse). AND then turning up on a Sunday to chew on a wafer and drink a little bit of wine does not bring you closer to God, neither will it save you!
The sacraments (you have only listed one) do not save. People just use them as social conveniences and the priests use them as power.
I suspect you believe n God, but you are child. As in 1 Corinthians 13:11, you need to "put childish ways behind [you]." Grow up. Stop trusting in meaningless rituals!
In reply to an earlier post on 18 Apr 2013 07:30:32 BDT
Last edited by the author on 18 Apr 2013 07:32:01 BDT
Wanderer , what are you going to do for all eternity ? the universe is about 15 billion years old in terms of eternity that doesn't even account for the first minute , I hope you have a good hobby .
In reply to an earlier post on 19 Apr 2013 08:39:07 BDT
"I hope you have a good hobby."
Oh dear, more simplistic thinking from simple people trying to be clever!.
In reply to an earlier post on 19 Apr 2013 17:39:00 BDT
I thought with all that time on your hands , how does it work then ?
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Apr 2013 10:20:02 BDT
"I thought with all that time on your hands , how does it work then ?"
Are you really asking this question? Current SCIENTIFIC knowledge has taught us that time is not a preset determinant property. So the question is even more simplistic than your original statement.
Time can be manipulated (we - the human race- are just not very good at doing it yet). I should worry more about your present time than worrying about "eternity".
As for Christians (Jews, Muslims, etc): most of them don't even understand their "holy" books, so why bother arguing with them, unless you have an intelligent point - which you don't!
Now forgive me, I am off to do something more MEANINGFUL with my time.
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Apr 2013 14:21:44 BDT
Of course i forgive you , i don't know what your on about , but i forgive you .
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Apr 2013 16:09:59 BDT
"i don't know what your on about"
Then listen to "Time" by Pink Floyd or sit back and enjoy Groundhog Day (Collector's Edition) [DVD] . It won't explain much... but it will waste more time.
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Apr 2013 16:18:24 BDT
Funny enough i have listened to 'time' in the car Wednesday night . But this is probably the first sat afternoon i've had off for months . Reading or responding to your reviews is not necessary a waste of time , there would be no point in writing them otherwise , so be grateful someone has taken time to listen . Enjoy the rest of your weekend , all the best .