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An excellent overview to the situation in both Israel and the Occupied Territories of Palestine,
This review is from: Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner's Guide (Paperback)
This is an excellent introduction. Those reviewers who say otherwise seem to be speaking from the viewpoint that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic and should not be listened to. Ben White has concentrated on giving an overview of the history and present situation in Israel and the OPT. He has not gone into great detail. There are examples he gives which could have been far more damning to the Israeli government if he had given more detail. For example, when he is reporting the case of Captain R who killed a 13 year old Palestinian girl and fired 17 bulletts into her body, he does tell us that Captain R was cleared of any wrong doing and was awarded £10,000 and promoted, but ommits all the horrible details which are on a recording (see [...] for a copy ) including the words ""This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over." Anyone here who is objecting that Ben White is giving too negative a picture of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians should read more widely and face up to what has happened in the past and is still happening.
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Initial post: 8 Apr 2010 00:08:34 BDT
Caped Crusader says:
Lieutenant R did not fire 17 bullets into the girl, where did you get this information from???
But thank you for your recommendation to read more widely for anyone objecting to Ben White. After a couple of minutes reading, the Wiki link you provided yielded some interesting results, even though it has been heavily edited (most likely by Palestinian Solidarity Movement activists). The articles the Wiki link itself references actually contradict the Wiki link!
Article no.11 in the Wiki reference section, dated July 2nd 2006, states: "R. was indicted for allegedly "confirming the kill" of a teenage girl in Gaza, but was acquitted after two key witnesses against him admitted to having lied"
Link no.19 in the Wiki reference section states Lieutenant R was acquitted of the most serious charge because the witness who claimed he saw the alleged abuse recanted his testimony:
"A military judge ordered the release of the officer, identified only as Lieutenant R., after a key witness in the case recanted testimony that the suspect had fired his rifle twice into the girl's body"
Furthermore, Lieutenant R submitted a libel suit against an Israeli journalist and Israeli news channel for publishing the fabricated testimony.
So Lieutenant R successfully sued for defamation (for falsely claiming Lieutenant R 'confirmed the kill') the same lies Ben White is regurgitating and you are encouraging others to believe.
There is also another gross distortion of the truth which you have repeated:
The Wiki article states that "Subsequent to his acquittal, Captain R. was promoted to the rank of major. In March 2006, he received 82,000 Shekels (roughly $17,000) to compensate him for his defense expenditures and time spent in jail. Captain R. also filed a libel suit against [journalist] Dayan and Channel 2."
In fact the timeline for these events has been reversed: Lieutenant R was acquitted, filed a libel suit for defamation, won the case, and then received compensation for time spent in jail because of the falsified testimony.
The edited Wiki link attempts to portray the IDF as having released Lieutenant R for no reason, promoting him, then awarding him lots of money as compensation for his trouble.
Out of 'damning' conclusions such as these, Ben White and others like yourself claim there is apartheid.
Given the context (which the referenced articles describe), it seems that by 2004, 4 years into the 2nd intifada, the soldiers were suffering trauma and mental exhaustion. Quite obviously, the way the soldiers reacted was based on many previous encounters of child suicide bombers.
It also states that the soldiers (that's more than one) decided there was enough cause for suspicion with Iman Darweesh, that she was planting a bomb and opened fire on her.
With a harrowing episode and terrible accident such as this (with a truly innocent girl being killed), it is clear Israeli soldiers have become used to encountering child soldiers and child suicide bombers.
Why are 'human rights' activists such as Ben White and organisations like Amnesty International and UNESCO silent on this? Where is the mention of this in the Goldstone Report?
So, unlike the noise that was attempted with this case, there is enough openness in the IDF for soldiers in a unit to even report their commanding officer in order to launch an investigation.
Perhaps you can tell us if White also includes other acts of Israeli 'brutality' such as the Mohammad al-Dura incident, or the Jenin 'massacre'?
People may wish to search for those phrases on youtube for some very revealing insights.
So yes, I think we'll leave it for others to decide whether Ben White's portrayal of Israel is 'too negative.'
In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jan 2014 11:54:05 GMT
Anthony Riley says:
White makes a good living telling the anti-Israel crew what they want to hear. He should head for Jeddah.
In reply to an earlier post on 7 Feb 2014 01:10:24 GMT
The jenin massacre was performed by phalangists. The officer who shot the little girl, was not even a jew. He was a druze. The other jewish soldiers refused to serve under him after his outrageous act against an unarmed school girl.
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