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5.0 out of 5 stars A balanced view, 18 Dec. 2012
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Very well written. Explains the issues clearly and helps you to make up your own mind. Required reading for doubters.
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Initial post: 8 Jan 2013 11:28:18 GMT
"Required reading for doubters."

Doubters of what? Although each church is different, the problems of the CoE (and I speak from experience) is that its theology is bankrupt and it methods have become obsolete. I cannot speak for Anglican communities in other countries.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Jun 2013 08:38:29 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 11 Jun 2013 14:08:16 BDT
Mooncarrot the Hare:
"If the C of E were one of the churches of Revelation which one would it be?"

None of them, I think.

God is neither a father, a mother or an "it".

But neither is God just masculine. God has ALL the powers to reproduce himself, unlike us! God does not need a wife!

Bankrupt theology can be found in almost any church: CoE; Catholic; Orthodox and even Jewish.

Bankrupt theology is the failire to discover the truth of why we are here.

Priests and priestesses make little difference!

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jun 2013 10:44:11 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jun 2013 13:24:57 BDT
Mooncarrot the Hare:

"If the C of E isn't one of the churches of revelation then it isn't one at all. It has had, in the symbolism of Revelation, it's lamp stand removed."

Given that the Revelation was written circa 90AD (or even earlier according to, for example, JAT Robisnon) it wouldn't have been referring to ANY churches. The word for "church" is the Greek "ekklesia", which has more to do with a small group of people.

In that time (the 1st century, though they wouldn't have thought of it that way) there was no Universal Church (Catholic), no Orthodox and certainly no CoE (which only started to come to prominence in the 16th century).

Even in the 19th century, the CoE was already corrupt. Many of its ministers were Freemasons and it is widely known that Geoffrey Fisher, the AoC who crowned the Queen, was a "committed" Freemason!

"For Christians the only purpose of their existence is to glorify Christ."

The only purpose of any human being is to discover the true nature of God, to find out if he is truly just (and merciful). Frankly, I have serious doubts!

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2013 13:08:09 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 08:41:49 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Jun 2013 08:42:51 BDT
Mooncarrot the Hare:

"Why is all this allowed to be? What is the matter, that this tremendous wreckage of human hearts is possible and actually going on? Put this immense scene of pain, death, and waiting, side by side with the idea, which we try to believe to be true, of a universal order working for good. Put this wilderness of wrong and wretchedness beside the creed which seats almighty Love on the throne of existence. What are we to say? Is not the mystery intolerable?"

Instead of the Bishop of Woolwich try The Bishop of Durham.

For these words were not written by J A T Robinson but by Handley C G Moule, the Bishop of Durham during the Edwardian era and The Great War.

"We think of the silent horrors of treachery and cruelty, in dark places of the earth, uncivilised or civilised. We see in our soul, perhaps with our eyes, the helpless victims of the petty tyrant, whose lips quite possibly are specious with smooth economic maxims, and who is hard as the millstone. Then there is the world of woe created always anew, every day and night, by lust and drink. Here and now are the evils, tempestuous, murderous, thunderous, of war and battle, with their ghastly accompaniments, as possible today as when Sennacherib or Attila made a campaign - the fire, the plunder, the outrages much worse than death, let loose together on pretty villages and on harmless lives, while from far away comes, like a long echo of the local horrors, the sound of the wailings of the distant lovers of the fallen fighting-men" - Handley C G Moule, Christus Consolator, 1915."

Interesting, but it doesn't explain this:

"Solomon had a vineyard in Baal Hamon; he let out his vineyard to tenants. Each was to bring for its fruit a thousand shekels of silver. But my own vineyard is mine to give; the thousand shekels are for you, O Solomon, and the two hundred are for those that tend its fruit." (Song of Solomon, 8:11-12)

Find a "bishop" who can explain this, then we can talk!

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Jun 2013 22:46:33 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 22 Jun 2013 09:57:11 BDT
Mooncarrot the Hare
"Friend, have you enough to pay the gatekeeper?"

How much is the price? One thousand shekels, 200 shekels, or 1,200 shekels?
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