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5.0 out of 5 stars Other reviews, 9 May 2012
This review is from: Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner's Guide (Paperback)
Having read the book, read the other reviews on the book, spent time in Israel and living and working in a refugee camp in the West Bank, I found Ben's analysis to be concise and factual. I think many of the negative reviews say more about the personal opinions (and the unwillingness to face reality) of the reviewer. Sadly, even with the 67 green line, Israel is a racist and apartheid state. It systematically breaches both international law and Geneva Conventions while the world turns a blind eye.
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Initial post: 17 Feb 2013 23:04:35 GMT
Bobby says:
The apartheid argument is strange. There are 20 countries in the Middle East comprising 99% of the physical area and Arabs and Moslems can occupy and worship in virtually any one of these. Jews cannot and have faced repeated persecution and expulsion in Egypt, Yemem, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. Just today, a religious minority was oppressed in Iran. "Iran Confiscates Buddha Statues; Symbols Of 'Cultural Invasion' Huffington Post, 02/17/13. There are countries where buddhism can be practiced, while Jews have faced continuing discrimination when they sought to practice their religion.

There was no Jewish Country in 1939. Voyage of the Damned was the trip Jews seeking to leave Germany took before they were returned to the death camps to starve and die. None is too many a description of another country's immigration policy for European Jews seeking safety.

They faced continuing discrimination and expulsion in the Arab countries where they were located.
Egyptian Jews were expelled from Egypt in 1956 under the direction of President Gamal Abd El Nasser. All those expelled had to sign a pledge of NEVER TO RETURN, leaving behind their possessions. All their assets were placed under sequestration and confiscated by the government of which no restitutions have been made. Iraqi politicians candidly acknowledged that they wanted to expel their Jewish population in 1949 and Saddam Hussein brutally oppressed the few who stayed. Akher Saa November 28, 1956). Libyan Jews fled to Israel by 1951, while the citizenship of the rest was revoked in 1961. Almost all of Yemeni and Adeni Jews, were evacuated during 1949-1950. Moroccan Jews began leaving for Israel as a result of the 1948 pogroms, with most of the community leaving in 1960s. Jews were required to sell or abandon the property of the countries they were fleeing. Almost all Jews of Algeria left upon independence in 1962, as "the Algerian Nationality Code of 1963 excluded non-Muslims from acquiring citizenship"

Ultimately the Jews took a small area and established a country. Through hard work and innovation, it has become tremendously successful. After the U.S. and China, Israel had more companies on the Nasdaq than any other. Israel has created tremendous innovation in neurobiology and cancer research. No Arab country has as many Nobel Prize winners, and if you combined 5 countries, the scientific advances would still be less. While there is freedom of speech and fair treatment of women, Arab countries still struggle with basic Democratic principles.

Why a Jewish country. After 2000 years of persecution, programs, laws establishing ghettos, (ghetto means an area where Jews live) mandatory Jewish stars, laws limiting work and occupation, beatings, and the systematic extermination of women and children throughout Europe, they decided they needed their own country. Why is that wrong.

Land in a small area has been divided into three areas, Jordan, an undisputably Arab Country, Israel and Palestine. No disputes that Jordan, the area controlled by the Palestine Authority, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, are Arab.

The basic question is whether we should have 19 Arab Countries without Jews, and take the single Jewish one and make it into a combined Jewish Arab country that with population growth, Arabs would likely dominate and control too. Why not take one of the current Arab countries, say Egypt, and spend some time making that into a successful and democratic country.

Posted on 29 Apr 2013 23:07:11 BDT
T.Peters says:
"Breaching international law" not according to this legal expert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4

Also, either you are lying and haven't been to Israel, or you're ignorant as to what apartheid actually was. Calling Israel an Apartheid state is a Libel and a fat lie. If you tell a lie often enough it often becomes the truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se5xTh8uwyo

Oh, and the world also turns a blind eye to Turkeys illegal occupation of Cyprus and China's occupation of Tibet but you'll never hear anything about that in the western media or by Ben White.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2013 23:18:06 BDT
I have lived and worked in the Deheishe refugee camp in the West Bank so know EXACTLY what I am talking about. You, on the other hand, are an apologist for the ongoing brutal occupation and illegal annexation and theft of land and water supplies.

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Apr 2013 23:42:56 BDT
Last edited by the author on 29 Apr 2013 23:46:45 BDT
T.Peters says:
No I'm not an apologist for Israel, I just think its unfair that the entire world's media focuses on Israel the whole time, there are refugees far more deserving of the medias attention than those living in Gaza and WB. The Palestinians have a far better quality of life than most refugees!

Maybe you're just a leftie. I have found the left are idealists and not realists and twist facts to suit their political agenda. Did you watch any of those videos? Clearly not.

Also in your original review you talked about that green line.. its not from 1967, it's from the first time the Arabs tried to drive the Jews into the sea in 1948.

None of this BS would even be happening if the corrupt Palestinian leadership would have accepted one of numerous peace attempts by Israel or the original UN plan... but they don't want peace they want Israel gone completely.

Israel is not an aparthed state you clearly haven't got a clue about what apartheid actually was!

And here's the "theft" of water supplies lie debunked http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2706/is_israel_really_to_blame_for_gaza_s_water_shortages

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 00:01:19 BDT
I find it laughable that you quote a rightwing Zionist website in support of your wholly inaccurate comments of Israel's abuse of water supplies. The route of the 'wall' was planned so as to ensure that the mountain aquifer fell within the '67 green line. Israel takes 85% of the water of the West Bank. I suggest that before you regurgitate propaganda you actual get some factual information or maybe even visit the region...

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 14:05:22 BDT
T.Peters says:
Well in response to that I will say that I'll take the "right wing" "Zionist" source of information over yours. I will also add I'm glad Israel has control over the water supplies. There is no shortage of water in the west bank that is pure Arab BS like half the things they spew, and even if there was a shortage why are they not recycling the water they do use? Like Israel does.

You are the one claiming Israel is an apartheid state so instantly I know what you say (or anyone else called the country that) cannot be taken seriously, calling Israel an apartheid state is an outrageous slur pedaled by Arab propagandists and lefties.

I have visited Israel and it's great there! I was even greeted by a black Arab when I got off the damn plane! I also have family who live in Jerusalem ....

I'm glad you find it laughable. You'll probably find this post just as laughable.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 20:31:48 BDT
Israel's abuse of water is now in the mainstream A level curriculum for geography. It is also well documented by the WHO, the International Red Cross and Amnesty International. http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/27/israel-palestinian-water-dispute

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 21:53:51 BDT
T.Peters says:
The Guardian is not a good source of information. It is a propaganda platform for the terrorists of Hamas among other things and time and time again this "newspaper" left wing rag has been exposed for twisting the facts. And as I said why is the PA not investing in water recycling technology like Israel has done?

The PA don't give a hoot about its people just like the rest of the Arab world because they are being used as a weapon against Israel! Its a shame that isn't being taught in mainstream curriculum in schools!

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Apr 2013 22:16:43 BDT
I see you didn't bother to actually read the article....

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