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Now it's all clear - but flat as a dead hedgehog,
This review is from: Genesis 1976 - 1982 [Hybrid SACD + DVD] (Audio CD)
As stated previously, there are a couple of minor gripes, ie. fiddly box that requires tipping and shaking to release the discs, and questionable extras.
But these are very minor gripes, far outweighed by the positives.
I do not have a surround sound system so cannot comment on the 5.1 mixes, but I can confirm that in the main the stereo remixes are a vast improvement on the originals.
I say 'in the main' because at times, particularly on 'Trick', the mixes do sound somewhat dynamically over-compressed. 'Trick' was always one of the more dynamic and punchy sounding albums, thanks to some finely recorded drums. But now the loud parts are quite compressed and don't quite blow you away quite as much as would be hoped in that regard. But this is possibly a result of the final mastering rather than Nick Davis's mixes - and these days most mastering engineers are obsessed with compressing mixes to the max to get the levels as loud as possible and to sound good for radio and MP3.
Throughout the set the biggest improvement is the clarity in Collins's vocal, which was often mixed too low and swamped in bad quality reverb (check out the original 'Eleventh Earl Of Marr' or much of 'And Then there Were Three' and compare).
Some of the backing vocals are now a little quite though: think of the beautiful 3 part harmonies on 'Entangled'. The new mix sets the 2 harmonies somewhat behind the lead vocal, whereas previously all 3 vocals were mixed more or less at the same level.
By and large though, once you have these new mixes you will never ever want to return to the original ones, such are the overall gains.
The DVD extras, I think, are great. As said previously, there are probably other things that could have gone on, but what we do have is fantastic. My favourite 'extra' is the 2007 interview split across the 6 discs, which shows the usually shy Tony Banks at his most eloquent, speaking passionately about each album. Nice contributions from Rutherford, Collins and Hackett also.
Not surprisingly, the 'Three Sides' concert footage has been left off the Abacab extras, but the reason for this is obvious: Three Sides Live will surely be remixed and reissued on both CD and DVD at some point, of that I have no doubt at all.
By the way, all the tracks are presented at their original length. If they were edited on the original vinyl, they are edited here (as a couple of tracks from And Then There Were Three were). But 'Submarine' is presented in full as it was on the original B-side. The only reason it was cut short on the Archive set was because the original master was damaged. But, as with all the other tracks (bar one) Nick Davis has gone back to the original multi-track tape (the pre-master) so there is no issue at all with that track's original damaged master.
Re-visit these great albums, enjoy the clarity, and enjoy the exras as a bonus. 9/10 (lost one point for the mega over-compression).
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Initial post: 25 Jun 2010 10:17:19 BDT
Anthony Costine says:
I recently got and listened to these box sets. I listen in stereo on a good (Denon) cd player. Being very farmiliar with the '70s albums on vinyl for many decades now (and happy with the vinyl sound) , I was generally very happy with the clarity of the new remasters. But there are a couple of strange differences in places. I was disappointed to hear that Rutherford's fantastic bubbly bass riff in the middle of "Can Utility and the Coast Liners" (Foxtrot) is now flattened to a shadow of it's former self. Also, unless I'm imagining things, Phil Collins's little vocal grunts are now missing from the closing seconds of the track "A Trick of the Tail". Maybe these elements are more prominent in the SACD or 5.1 surround versions, but I don't have that equipment so can't comment. Hope you don't mind me adding these comments to yours!
Posted on 28 Aug 2010 21:47:40 BDT
John Rozzell says:
Did you mean to give it four stars? you've only given it three.
Posted on 28 Oct 2012 08:23:56 GMT
Last edited by the author on 28 Oct 2012 08:24:14 GMT
Well get a 5.1 system and see what you're missing!
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