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2.0 out of 5 stars Looking backwards, 7 Jan 2013
This review is from: Zeitgeist: Moving Forward [PAL] (DVD)
"Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" is the last part of the trilogy that gave us the Zeitgeist Movement. I admit that I didn't bother watching all of it, nor shall I do so in the future. It seems to be a rehash of the ideas in "Zeitgeist: Addendum", the main difference being that director Peter Joseph has added interviews with a number of scholars to give his little movement more clout.

If anything, "Moving Forward" sounds even more absurd than "Addendum". The film advocates a world-wide planned economy, but without mentioning that tainted term. Instead it uses the flashier monikers Global Resource Management System, Global Production Management System and Demand & Distribution Tracking System, all part of a Resource-Based Economy defined as "the scientific method applied to social concern". The planned economy controls everything through computers, which work independently of humans. Science and technology are unbiased, neutral and objective. "There is no Democratic or Republican way to build an airplane". Therefore, a strictly scientific economy will truly solve our problems and take care of all our needs.

Apparently, all (!) private ownership should be abolished as well. Everything you need can be borrowed gratis from local "access centres". Production is based on an assessment of human needs, including the need for leisure, recreation and music. It's not clear how these needs can be assessed or quantified by computers, but we are assured that they will. Strangely, there will be abundance despite the fact that the planned economy will be strictly sustainable and in harmony with Nature.

Our old friend Jacque Fresco is featured again. He is virtually unknown, but presented as an important inventor, political thinker and social critic. According to Wiki, Fresco used to be both a Communist and a Technocrat before striking out on his own. Indeed, the Technocrats seemed to have had some ideas similar to those of the Zeitgeist group.

As usual, we are not told *how* the brave new world should be brought about. What groups, strata or classes in society have an objective material interest in creating an international planned economy? Who could carry out such a program? How? Using what strategy? Presumably, scientists, engineers and technocrats are the vanguard of the future. But then what? Why should scientists support Joseph or Fresco?

I'm not against sustainability or even state intervention in the economy, but please, this is demented. I'm not against technology either but, once again, the over-reliance on technological solutions in "Moving Forward" sounds almost like a parody. A parody of Murray Bookchin or Sam Dolgoff, perhaps?

The Zeitgeist Movement is something as peculiar as a utopian socialist sect based largely in cyberspace.

And there it shall remain.
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Initial post: 26 Feb 2014 19:59:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Feb 2014 20:00:40 GMT
Dave says:
The goal of this direction is to out-grow the need private ownership, not abolish it.

As for "It's not clear how these needs can be assessed or quantified by computers
", the documentary can only cover so much within its time frame. So anyone shouldn't expect anything to be described in great detail.

In this new type of system there will be a different set of values and understandings that are more inline with the natural world and its finite resources. So these excessive wants that many people are groomed into today wouldn't likely exist. Goods and services would most likely be requested on a website. While using 3D printers, we can make very unique things on-demand without duplicating loads of stuff like we do today, which is incredibly wasteful.

Fresco has never said that he's a communist or a technocrat. He's just attended those groups.

"As usual, we are not told *how* the brave new world should be brought about." again, the film can only say so much within its time frame.

If you actually watched it to the end, its shows that this type of direction is going to take a collaborative effect, not just scientists as you said.

I doubt the heads of amazon using their computers to calculate supply and demand don't see it as "over-reliance of technology".

The word utopian assumes that there is some finality or final frontier. The film never depicted that nor has anyone in TZM.

I'm not denying the similarities with socialism, but its still very different.

I would encourage people to not judge at face value and realise that 1 film couldn't ever possibly describe everything down to a T. Thats why I recommend a new book that does describe in great detail about these subjects and its free! check it out.
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/uploads/upload/file/19/The_Zeitgeist_Movement_Defined_6_by_9.pdf
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