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5.0 out of 5 stars Clarifying the issues about science and religion, 8 Nov 2007
This review is from: God's Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? (Paperback)
In this very readable and well-researched book John Lennox does a brilliant job of exposing the real issues involved in any discussion of the relationship between science and religion. The fundamental point, which he makes so well, is that the debate is NOT about science VERSUS religion, but has to do with different world views (namely naturalism - the view that there is nothing but nature and the material world - contrasted with theism - the view that there is a God ) and the relationship of each with science. Dr Lennox then asks the all-important question: Which world view sits most comfortably with science?

What is so important about this book is that it does not counter the popular rhetoric and sloganeering (characteristic of many of those who believe that naturalism is the world view that is the logical consequence of science) with more of the same. In his careful and systematic examination of the scientific evidence Dr Lennox shows that science is not only highly consistent with a theistic world view, but even points towards it. To this end he takes us on a journey that considers the history and limits of science, as well as many of its most up-to-date findings including modern evolutionary theory, design theory, irreducible complexity and information theory. Bringing to bear his analytical and logical skills as a research mathematician, he also exposes many fallacious arguments that are often used to "prove" that science has buried God.

I highly recommend this book to anyone who seriously wishes both to understand the real nature of the debate that is currently receiving much exposure in the media, and to come to a conclusion based on evidence and reason rather than prejudice and emotion.

Nigel Cutland
Professor of Pure Mathematics
University of York, UK
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2013 08:50:58 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Feb 2013 09:01:13 GMT
I completely agree that far too many people use Amazon merely to insult/denegrate those they disagree with in a way which would be totally unacceptable in face to face conversations. I do not think this should be used to restrict freedom of speech within these reviews forums/discussions however. My advice is simply to ignore the insults and be gratefull for the good advice/helpfull information which is provided.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2013 08:59:19 GMT
Andrew says:
Hi Bladder

You say 'I was also influenced by seeing far worse abuse on some other threads. I just got fed up of people so obviously trying to wind other people up. This isn't the place for that!'

Quite right. I suspect Amazon would only do something about the problem if they thought it would affect their business. For example, someone suggested that Amazon's massive tax avoidance scheme could be challenged through their review system e.g. If everyone wrote ` Amazon's service is excellent. It could only be improved by Amazon paying their full share of taxes'. I suspect Amazon would censor such reviews. In fact I wonder if this will be allowed now!!

Best wishes

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2013 09:04:10 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Feb 2013 14:32:36 GMT
Reply to Andrew.

Seems you were wrong about Amazon's 'sensitivity' on the taxes issue?

To develop that point however; why do you think Amazon should willingly pay the UK's exorbitantly high taxes? Amazon's big selling point is precisely that it enables their customers (you and me) to benefit from world market prices, which is why we can buy DVDs for just a few pounds (sometimes literally pennies!) which cost 15/20 in British highstreet shops. Yes HMV has now gone bankrupt, supposedly from 'Internet competition', BUT the real blame for that lies with a stupidly shortsighted/greedy British taxation regime, not Amazon. If Amazon did offer the British Gov't another couple of hundred million a year to squander on Foreign Aid or Civil Service Pensions, where do you think it would come from? Higher prices on Amazon, which I doubt many would appreciate.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Mar 2013 02:09:23 GMT
AndrewW says:

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Mar 2013 07:31:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Mar 2013 08:12:43 GMT
Andrew says:
The following quote is taken from the passage contained in the web address provided by Mr Williamson regarding the problem for belief in God caused by natural disasters.

.......Nor are we entitled to accuse God of appalling misjudgement in randomly selecting thousands of people to die unjustly.

Instead, we should accept that in his infinite wisdom he withdrew his protective hand and allowed such events to take place for purposes that are far beyond our limited understanding, but that included giving a warning of the judgement awaiting all who reject his claims.

If this sounds too harsh, let me urge you to reflect that it is only by God's mercy that all of humanity is not wiped out. The fact that `All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23) means that if he were to eliminate the whole of humanity at this moment neither his justice nor his righteousness would be compromised.

If God were to dispense immediate and universal judgement you would not be alive to finish reading this sentence! You are alive at this moment only because, at least for the time being, God `does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities' (Psalm103:10). It is `because of the Lord's great love [that] we are not consumed' (Lamentations 3:22).........

What an extraordinary, extreme, un-Christian but thankfully untypical explanation of natural disasters. By this strange and unpleasant logic we could conclude that Hitler was part of God's `mysterious plan' to exterminate a `select group' of 6 million Jews. So that's all right then! The writer has a very perverse notion of `sinning', suggesting that the `sins of Man' are more serious than the sin of a God who knowingly plans the extermination of millions of men, women and children in natural disasters.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 Mar 2013 08:05:23 GMT
Last edited by the author on 30 Mar 2013 08:11:06 GMT
Andrew says:
Hi Mr Bradbury

I am very relieved to be proved wrong regarding Amazon `censorship'!

Regarding taxation, no-one is overjoyed at paying tax, but we all regognise that it is essential to pay for what basically distinguishes our lifestyle from that of a third world country. I am as big a critic of governments as anyone (ask my wife!) but I recognise that life would intolerable without tax. My grouse is that it is possible for big international companies, with the connivance of government, to avoid paying tax whiist the rest of the country has no such option - and indeed are pilloried by the same government that facilitates corporate tax avoidance. Jimmy Carr was singled out by the PM for his aggressive tax avoidance and such avoidance, we are told, is going to be made impossible. Yet the UK controls more tax havens than any other country! The hypocrisy is staggering.

Regarding the price of Amazon goods, they would not, as you suggest, soar through the roof if Amazon paid their due tax. That's scaremongering. A 15 DVD does not sell on Amazon for `a few pounds' because Amazon avoids tax, but, as you say, because Amazon source outlets willing and able to offer these low prices. Amazon would therefore not go out of business if it paid its due tax. Like other corporate tax avoiders, it simply has the wherewithal to exploit loopholes in tax laws that have been constructed by past governments to attract money to those UK tax havens, and of course save their friends a few quid into the bargain! And that's both unfair and immoral.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Feb 2014 19:42:59 GMT
Mr C. says:
That may be your answer , but be assured it is not Lennox's , not mine, and certainly not God's
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