i definatly got my moneys worth from fallout 3 new vegas and this..what i also got was a nightmare to play on PS3. lets be honest folks the dream of fixing the lag is all fairytale, it may work better on xbox, and thats coming from a ps3 owner. the freezing is like nothing i seen before ( well i have seen it all before lol ) brilliant games, but the ps3 has half the memory to run games against xbox. that will fix the lag, but you will still have funny glitches..which im ok with. anything but freezing and resetting....play 20 mins...freeze reset again. dont worry folks the price on amazon says it all. epic game epic fail again.
hey man ignore this wong fella... hes obviously not a bethesda fan, as anyone who knows bethesda games knows that they freeze glitch and lag. listen son....i want it to work after 60 hours. i dont want a product that doesnt work..i dont care how much game play there is, i battled this lag in fallout for over 500 hours. so go post your, skyrim bumming comments elsewhere, like beth forum page. where u will see that people dont lie. they are lagging and its tw**s like you who seem to be hyping broken games. u fool. im 28 i dont have the time to waste then waste more reading and replying to your dumb comments. the game freezes. so take it now as you know....i give the games 5 stars... the lag. 0
I've just picked up on this thread after spending hours on forums, ign and google trying to solve my skyrim lag issues from playing on my prehistoric fat 40gb ps3. Just a minor suggestion here.......kill the autosave on wait, travel and sleep. My game crashed 5 times in half an hour because of lag caused by autosave. Since i turned it off it's crashed once due to a collision on arrival with a tribe of forsworn and a bloody huge dragon whilst i had two followers and a horse trying to fight on my side.
Bethesda have been making great games with serious glitches for years and i don't think they'll ever fix these problems completely. It detracts from the gaming experience, frustrates the player and causes joypads to be randomly thrown at small children and house pets/tv's. I've played through Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout NVand each one has crashed on me. It was annoying when I was younger and had less responsibilty but now I have three hours a day if i'm lucky and it's driven me up the wall. Turning off the autosave has been a game changing experience. Hope this helps anyone who's still struggling. PS - Don't forget to save! ;-)
My two pence is that i brought the game with the expectation that the new engine designed from 'scratch' would be built to avoid bugs like this; those experianced in other beth games. Therefore i started the game by searching ever corner of skyrim looking to complete the game. However this is not possible, I now avoid looking in every corner to try and aviod moving items from the default locations. i personally am writing a review at the moment, and will be giving it a 2 stars. I feel it is unforgivable to go live with a game that has such a critical error.
I'm a project manager and would never ever want to go live with such a critical error, and they would have know about it.
I have heard that if you sleep for 30 days it will reset the items to default... has anyone tried this?
Whilst it's Bethesda's job to fix this I don't believe that they necessarily knew about it before it was launched and just don't agree with the angry comments that the 'management' forced out a game they knew was faulty - and Denton I'd be very surprised if this turned out to be illegal, you might be getting a little carried away there!
Whilst Bethesda obviously tested each mission and area of the game I'd be surprised if they tested these in the same save file. When they got the game Beta tested I doubt many people beta tested for more than 40 hours, and if they did test beyond 40 hours not everyone would be playing the PS3 version - my money (pure guess) would be on a disproportionate number of PC players. The sheer scale of the game means that an issue like this, where it only appears on one platform after a significant amount of time has been invested in to one save game, is very hard to experience in testing. Unfortunate for Bethesda, but I very much doubt it is malicious. Thoughts anyone?
Knowing that Fallout and Fallout New Vegas (in particular) had the same issues, it's almost unfathomable that they didn't play the whole game through doing all available quests to diagnose and fix problems. If they say they didn't then that represents sheer neglect and is just as bad as releasing a broken game.
This type of game, which I think are the best games out there, makes a vast vast sum of money. I don't think a billion would be anywhere near an exaggeration. To make that amount of money, and not fully test a game and fix errors on their third attempt (fourth if you count oblivion which I played on 360) is not excusable.
I'm only annoyed because I wanted to play the game without increasing load times, lag, texture drop out and immense amounts of frustration. I don't believe for a moment that Bethesda didn't know about these problems in light of previous title's problems.
The legality issue is something else. That's based on releasing a title that requires web based updates to balance it and not stating that on the box. It needs to be stated so that people (and there are many) without the interweb can fix their game. There are no other games out there with issues like Bethesda's, so, in respect to them it could well be illegal. I would also suspect that not testing a product is also some kind of violation. You can't assume everything will be ok. At least the bankers knew they were causing financial armageddon but just didn't care so long as they cleaned up and could lavish the luxury lifestyle on the next 30 generations of their family.
The fact that gaming sites never received PS3 copies (but did PC and 360) for review is extremely suspicious. Bethesda games generally cannot be finished in 40 hours so it is fair to assume that they should at least test completion of the main quest and other side quests in the same save file, multiple times.
Bethesda said they had used a new engine but it is the same one from Fallout 3 and NV, albeit with a few graphical improvements, and the same lag problems. They also said they were giving the PS3 version "a lot of attention" prior to release, and that they had learned from prior mistakes with the engine. Yeah right.
They released patches that broke other major bits in the game (backwards dragons), and the latest patch is known to cause very frequent freezing/lockups requiring PS3 restart/corruption. Many many quests cannot be finished, due to characters not giving the right dialogue options etc. Oh and if you happen to find a quest item before a particular quest is initiated, well, another glitched quest.
Bethesda have finished for the holidays now. If I had released this mess of a game, I would be ashamed and working hard and/or getting contractors in to try and fix the multitude of problems with it.
But Bethesda don't have to because they have got their millions, their dubious GOTY award and laughable Developer of the Year award.
I have a feeling, in the new year, after all the people recieving this for christmas have hit the dreaded slow down, this thread will recieve a lot more complaints. I think on Christmas day and boxing day the 5 star reviews will skyrocket.
There are some kinds of customer big business loves. They're the ones that buy an incomplete/faulty product and don't complain. It beggars belief that some of them will go as far as to defend the company that ripped them off! These customers are the reason that big companies can get away with not only selling defective products, but also making them defective after they've become the legal property of customer by removing features that originally formed the basis of a purchase decision. Sound familiar gamers?
If you buy a game and it is faulty, go to the store and ask for a refund in accordance with your statutory rights (14-30 days depending on store). Do not accept any nonsense that the game has been played; it is not fit for purpose, end of story. For goods over £100 ALWAYS USE A CREDIT CARD (or ask someone else if you don't have one). If the retailer gives you hassle when you want to return, you call the credit card company and ask them to give you your money back in accordance with section 75 of the consumer credit act. IT IS THEIR LEGAL OBLIGATION TO RETURN YOU YOUR MONEY AND THE SHOP HAS TO ARGUE THE CASE WITH THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY LAWYERS IF THEY THINK DIFFERENTLY. This way the retailer suffers, not the customer. The retailer then takes recourse with the product manufacturer, the way it should be.
People who defend faulty products and the companies selling them are a part of the problem that causes faulty products to be sold. If everybody accepts inferior products and services the consumer will continue to be treated like an idiot. I would also mention that it is not beyond big companies to employ people to trawl the web and post ridiculous and laughable defences of their product and service offences in order to wipe out or create a smokescreen around any negative press... it wouldn't surprise me if we have all encountered such a person at one point or another; some of us quite recently ;)
I have to say, having experienced Bethesda's lack-lustre attitude towards testing and bug fixes, that every release since Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition has been a case of 'Wait for it to come down to about £25 and don't expect the inevitable bugs to get fixed.', this happened with Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and now (surprise, surprise) Skyrim.
I would put money on Bethesda never fixing this lag bug, or even releasing any more bug fixes for anything else that may be wrong with the game. That is what they do - fix something (probably that was wrong with the PC version) then move on to the next project. Our only hope would be for someone else to step in, but it would have to be done officially because the PSN does not allow home-brew add-ons (and bug fixes) like the PC version does.
Bethesda are a PC developer, like it or not their games are best played on a PC, one reason being the after-market fan support for fixing bugs and creating new content. I don't know what the procedure is for developers to provide an update for their games via PSN so can't comment on that, but plenty of games on PS3 do get updates so we know it's possible.
So, I have not purchased yet and won't do until I see it available for £25 or less. Looks like I missed out on the recent price drop as the price is now creeping back up (cheapest currently is on Amazon at £31, seems to be increasing daily). I will purchase the game as-is, with no expectation that any problems I may encounter will ever get fixed; with this low expectation of the game I can at least play until it becomes unreasonable to continue, then perhaps start a new game and play the bits I didn't get to play the last time. Assuming I can play the entire story in this piecemeal way, I should at least be able to play it in it's entirety and experience all that the game has to offer.
Oh, and I am of the opinion that the game save file size is partly to do with the way people play the game - it makes sense that if an object is left in the game world (not in it's default location) then the game has to remember it's precise location, possibly orientation too, and for potentially hundreds of objects this data will surely all add up; in Oblivion I have made a point to remove all random objects from the game world and sell them, that way they do not literally exist (only on a trader's list of items for sale) and hopefully do not take up space in the save game file; checking the size of my save file I believe it does actually make a significant difference. Some may say that we shouldn't have to use such a work-around in a game but this is how it is with the likes of Oblivion and Skyrim, we should use every trick at our disposal to help the rickety game engine to keep working so that maybe, just maybe, we can work around the faults that Bethesda can't be bothered to fix (like working around the vampire glitch in Oblivion).
Well I have to say a big Thank You to Amazon Customer Service. After calling them and emailing them about the state of the game, they offered me a full refund. I had been on to Bethesda and Amazon about the game crashing my PS3 twice and the fps slowing down. Also, unlike a lot of people on these boards, I had only played the game for 15 hrs. I have also taken the time to write to the editor of PSM3 to complain about the fact that they left the score of the game in the 90s even though its 2 months later and the game is shot full of issues - almost to the stage where it is unplayable. Thus, I will no longer be purchasing PSM3 or pre-ordering games.
On a final note, I have never returned a game before, ever. This is the 1st time I felt it necessary. What a let down. Hoping the Kingdoms of Amalur won't be full of problems as well. Will have to wait and see !!
Update: I received the game on Christmas Eve and have been dipping in and out for about 30 hours of gameplay since. So far I have only experienced 1 crash that required a complete reboot of the PS3. I would mention that my PS3 is a first generation Japanese machine, allegedly these were made to higher hardware specification than the following machines. I'm not sure if this means they have a better processing capability or just additional memory card and USB slots.
Upon encountering a seemingly impossible scenario to complete (Embassy mission) I checked the forums online for a solution. In doing so I found many, many criticisms of gliches and faults that can currently only be overcome by trickery and workarounds. The game itself is very enjoyable. However, if you've played your heart out to get to a given point and the machine crashes it's going to be dissappointing and annoying to replay your progress. The loads are really slow...
Fallout New Vegas is still buggy ang sluggish. When you buy a game it should work 100%, games from the sinclair spectrum too the ps2 worked bug free as far as I can remember. Doesn't this come under trading goods act? http://whatconsumer.co.uk/it-is-not-fit-for-purpose/ scroll near thd bottom Skyrim is mentioned .