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26 of 44 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Decisions, decisions,.....
Bit of a nightmare for Herzog fans - the Shout Factory US box set has gems like Even Dwarfs Started Small, Little Dieter Needs to Fly and My Best Fiend but doesn't have all the documentaries on the BFI release. Better start saving, multi region-ers, your gonna need both.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Why you don't need both sets
I don't have this set as it has not been released yet so this is an examination, as I prefer to call it. I posted before a "review" to mock another "review". Enough of that.

I am posting this in order to explain why you really don't need both BFI and Shout Factory sets. I would normally avoid writing a non review but I would like to add a counterpoint to the...
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5.0 out of 5 stars Decisions, decisions,....., 11 April 2014
This review is from: Werner Herzog Collection (8-Disc Blu-ray Box Set) (Blu-ray)
Bit of a nightmare for Herzog fans - the Shout Factory US box set has gems like Even Dwarfs Started Small, Little Dieter Needs to Fly and My Best Fiend but doesn't have all the documentaries on the BFI release. Better start saving, multi region-ers, your gonna need both.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Why you don't need both sets, 11 Jun 2014
This review is from: Werner Herzog Collection (8-Disc Blu-ray Box Set) (Blu-ray)
I don't have this set as it has not been released yet so this is an examination, as I prefer to call it. I posted before a "review" to mock another "review". Enough of that.

I am posting this in order to explain why you really don't need both BFI and Shout Factory sets. I would normally avoid writing a non review but I would like to add a counterpoint to the misinformative "review" that I was mocking before. The number of stars is irrelevant as this set is not available yet so I am putting three stars here in an attempt to be more neutral.

Shout Factory is already shipping their Herzog set. Incidentally, copies signed by Herzog are already sold out. Their price ($139) is a bit better than Amazon US' price ($149) but you will spend about 90 (including postage) to buy the set, what is two times more than the BFI dvd set. If you have the two Anchor Bay Herzog sets, for example, then you have most of the films of the American set. But the BFI set has titles much more difficult to find (if you can find them at all) than the American set and it costs half the price (the dvd set). In addition, Shout Factory set is only on blu ray and will only be useful to customers who have multi region blu ray players whilst BFI's set is on blu ray or dvd and you need just an ordinary blu ray or dvd player to watch the films.

It seems that the only real advantage of the American set is its presentation, which is much better than the poor presentation of BFI's set. That is, the advantage that one can see now.

One important matter is the quality of image. Which set is better? Many films in these sets were filmed on 16 mm and the original quality is not very good to begin with so the question is: How good was the remastering? Did it improve the quality of image to the point of justifying the purchase of the set by customers who already have most of the films on dvd? Which set has the best images: BFI or Shout Factory?

This is the kind of essential question that only someone who has the sets can answer and the reason why I posted a "review" to mock the first "review" about this set.

The BFI set, in theory, is clearly the best option as it has titles that are very rare and it has most of the titles of the American set. On top of that, the difference of price between sets would allow customers to buy most of the films present in the American set that are not in the BFI set. That is, if you already don't have some of the titles.

The BFI set has more special features and also has an illustrated booklet. Shout Factory doesn't seem to have a booklet.

Let's go to more specific numbers. The BFI set doesn't have six of the main titles of the American set. They are:
Ballad of Little Soldier, Lessons of Darkness (I couldn't find these ones for a good price)
Where the Green Ants Dream 7.46 on Amazon UK free delivery
Little Dieter needs to fly 13.96 on Amazon UK free delivery
My best Fiend 5.48 delivery included
Even Dwarfs started small 8.76 delivery included

So, if you buy the BFI dvd set for 43.25 and add 34.58 for the four separate titles you will spend 77.83

You will have all main films from the American set , which costs about 90, minus "Lessons of Darkness" and "Ballad of Little Soldier" and you will have several rare films that are not included in the American set such as "Last Words" and
"The Unprecedented Defence of the Fortress Deutschkreuz".

If you get the BFI set on blu ray and buy the four separate films as well then you will spend around 92, just about the same you would spend with the American set.

You can also buy "Lessons of Darkness" separate for about 30. You can also get it if you buy the American edition of Anchor Bay's Herzog collection. It has "Lessons of Darkness", "Little Dieter needs to fly" and "Even Dwarfs started small". You can buy the set for as low as about 15 on Amazon US (including postage)and you would get a more complete set for even less than buying separate dvds. That said, it is an easy guess that whoever is contemplating to order this new set will already have some of the titles anyway.

" The "Ballad of the Little Soldier" seems to be the only film that you will miss if you buy the BFI set plus separate films instead of buying the American set. To buy both sets, as suggested by the first "review" about this set, is a very stupid idea. Or you are going to spend extra 90 just to get two films?

In addition, a website is saying that the remastering of the American set overdigitized the films whilst BFI's remastering kept their original film look. They are basing the information on the comparison between "Nosferatu" blu ray discs released by BFI and Shout Factory back in may. They have graphics and lots of technical data comparing both discs so it is very reliable information. Check dvdbeaver and look for "Nosferatu the Vampyre" for more information on that. I tried to past the link but it was filtered out by Amazon.

Shout Factory set has 13 discs whilst BFI has 8 discs. They have a similar number of films/hours so it seems that Shout Factory was more careful and certainly more generous in the manufacture of discs but maybe they overdid the remastering.

Considering all that, there are hardly "decisions, decisions" to make here. The BFI set, in terms of titles and price, is much better than the American set and, if the information from dvdbeaver is correct, the remastering of the BFI set is better and then there is no reason whatsoever to chose the American set or to buy both sets. As a matter of fact, many Americans are opting for the BFI set.

But the Shout Factory set has 13 discs whilst BFI has only 8 discs. Their total duration is similar and it seems to me that Shout Factory was more generous and careful with the manufacture of the discs but, considering the information from dvdbeaver, they overdid it. The only doubt here is: Are all discs from Shout Factory over filtered and cleaned like "Nosferatu"? Probably, but the only way of really knowing that is to check the discs.

In any case, one definetely doesn't need to buy both sets. The suggestion that Herzog's fans will need both sets is only a lazy, misinformed and empty idea of someone looking for things to do with his mobile phone and doesn't get that Amazon is not Facebook. Amazon is a place for shopping.

BFI set, considering price, variety of titles and probably better remastering, is clearly the best option but if you really want the Shout Factory set for some reason or if you want both sets no matter what then go to Amazon Canada. Their price for the Shout Factory is the best one that I saw. I bought from them before and Amazon Ca is excellent.

At some point I will delete this non review here but for now it will stay on air just to be a counterpoint to the farce and laziness of two lines pseudo reviews written by posters who think that they are on facebook. Good riddance to them all.

The state of reviews on Amazon is disgraceful, thanks to Amazon's inaction on the matter and to so many idioXX who think that they are on facebook or in a pub when they write their mediocre reviews: Prescient reviews written before the release of the dvd/blu ray , one or two lines reviews that could be applied to literally all films and tv series, "buffer" three stars reviews posted just to displace critical reviews, reviews written by people who admittedly didn't even watch the film or series they are reviewing, reviews about dvds written by people who watch the film or series on the internet or in a cinema, reviews complaining about the shipping or the dvd region and reviews with unwarned serious plot spoilers written by very inconsiderate reviewers.

A one star review about the series Salamander reveals, without warning, an essential part of the plot that was a completely unexpected twist. The imbeciXX who wrote that review ruined the viewing experience of whoever read his review before ordering the dvds. People complained but he kept the plot spoiler the same, not caring at all about other people.

But I am sure that people complained only because the unwarned serious plot spoiler was in a one star review as I noticed that is common practice among the so called "top reviewers" ( I call them top cheerleaders, a much more appropriate term) to write reviews with unwarned plot spoilers. The difference is that they give five or four stars to the film or tv series they review. One example, amongst so many I could use, is the five stars review about the film "The Silent Partner". It was written by one of the "top reviewers" and tells most of the surprises that happen in the film. Despite of that, nobody had complained about the unwarned plot spoilers when I read the review and it was even considered the most helpful review what goes to tell how the votes are casted mainly ( when not only ) by people who already watched the film or tv series.

It is very rare to see someone criticise a review with serious unwarned plot spoilers. It seems that you can write anything you want in a review as long as you give five or four stars to the film or tv series. Those reviews with unwarned plot spoilers rarely get a load of negative votes or negative comments.

But if you write a "review" showing how reviews have been kidnapped by inconsiderate reviewers and posters ( mainly young people who keep looking for things to do with their phones and think this is facebook) then people will be cueing to attack you...It is pathetic.

One last example of how reviews became so unreliable: A so called review of the series Mammon says "Not watched it yet, but when I do I'm sure it'll be great." That's all. One line only...He gave five stars to the series...Nobody is cueing up to cast negative votes to that review and nobody is writing comments about that review...

On top of all that, there is the very shallow cheerleading mode that dominates the voting system. If the poor quality of most reviews about films and tv series were not enough, there are also many comments which have as main rule the fascist mentality that goes like this: if you like what I like then you have an opinion but if you don't like what I like then you don't have an opinion, you are just stupid.

I use Amazon for shopping. I placed over 200 orders last year, for example, and I am not counting my orders from Amazon US, Amazon France and so on. Most of the time I ignore the idioXX who think this is facebook or twitter. But sometimes I feel like writing things such as this non review when I see lousy and lazy "reviews" like the one that motivated me to write this non review.

I know that this non review will not change things and I know that all those lousy, lazy, inconsiderate reviewers and posters who populate Amazon will not even understand what this non review is about because they seem to have loose ethical principles and can't discern right from wrong or, more likely, are too selfish and lazy to care about other people.

So I wrote this non review just to let off steam caused by the fact that mediocre reviewers are forcing real customers to buy dvds in the dark as one can't read a review without risking to read serious unwarned plot spoilers and the fact that most reviews, especially the prescient ones, give zero concret information about dvds or blu ray discs.

P.S. I was initially not accepting comments and was deleting this non review in order to remove comments. I changed my mind and decided to read comments about what I wrote. It was no surprise that I got three comments from internet hoodlums with the usual and lazy one line of insults.
One comment said "You are a psychopath" and another comment said "this fart of non review"...I asked those enlightened individuals to elaborate and explain. Just one of them replied but only to write more insults without explaining the reasons for the insults and going to the point of considering a previous version of this non review "insulting" because, amongst other things, I gave one star to Herzog's films and I couldn't do that because Herzog's films are great...

I replied with a long and elaborated comment but then, all of a sudden, all comments were deleted by Amazon. Either that or some technical problem. In any case, I am glad that those comments are gone as they were gratuitous, superficial and added nothing to this non review. Amazon should entitle reviewers to allow or not comments about their reviews. it would certainly improve the quality and variety of what one reads over here.
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