27 of 27 people found the following review helpful
on 12 September 2012
This is the third Salvo release of Propaganda material, and at an incredibly good price it boasts nine previously unreleased tracks as well as a handful that have never made it to CD before. Titled as a 'compact introduction', it does that job very well as it mixes cuts from 'A Secret WIsh', 'Wishful Thinking' and the cassingle 'Do Well' along with rare 12" and 7" mixes, but for the fans this will be the opportunity to get closer to completion in collecting all of the enormous ZTT archive of this fantastic band's music from those brief years in the 80s.
The beautiful cover of Nico and Velvet Underground's 'Femme Fatale', originally the b-side to the Dr. Mabuse single, finally makes it onto CD in three different versions - the original mix, an instrumental, and an accapella outtake. Brucken's voice is perfect for this as she takes the tender and the tough moments easily in her stride. Probably Propaganda's most romantic recording.
More mixes of 'Mabuse' see the light of day including the video mix and the ninth life 12" mixes which most of us have wanted for a very long time. Great to hear these in crisp clarity on CD at last!
"Duel' is revealed as 'thirds' which is actually the 'Top of the Pops' mix which was used for their only appearance on that show, and it's basically a shortened and slightly remixed cut of the album version. But a nice cut to have nevertheless.
The majestic sturm und drang of 'P-machinery' is in its big beta form, but with the addition of a short but beguiling alpha mix which hints at an intriguing new direction the track could have explored. Perhaps there is more of this in the vaults and yet to come.
The CD is well sequenced and overall is a brilliant collection of material from one of the best bands of the 80s. The packaging comprises a standard jewel case inside a card slipcase, but the booklet, which whilst it contains some very nice photographs, is somewhat lacking in information and textual content. But this is the only small criticism to level against a very welcome and thoroughly enjoyable addition to the series of Propaganda releases.
Keep them coming!!!
33 of 34 people found the following review helpful
on 15 September 2012
For the record, I am a HUGE fan of Propaganda - they were one of the key groups of the 80s and their sole album (in the classic incarnation of Claudia Brucken, Suzanne Freytag, Ralf Dorper & Michael Mertens) "A Secret Wish" is one of the best albums ever in my opinion, not just in the synthpop genre. Seeing the core of the band reunited at Claudia's Scala gig last year (preserved on the excellent DVD/CD package "This Happened") was a massive thrill.
This collection of oddments & rareties, many on CD for the first time, is welcome. Someone commented on this review soon after I posted it and asked how different the tracks are from whats been released previously - I've added a track by track postcript to the review therefore. However, if someone new to Propaganda REALLY wanted to get to know the group, to understand why "A Secret Wish" is so highly regarded, I would point them directly to the double CD 25th remaster of that album, which costs as much to buy on Amazon (with supersaver delivery) as a digital download of this collection. For a start, you will get the original vinyl edition version of the masterly Dream Within A Dream on that CD (always my favourite version with that howling guitar break in the middle), as well as the longer original CD release version which is included here on "Noise and Girls..". And you'll discover other wonders such as "The Murder of Love" and their cover of Josef K's Sorry for Laughing.
What we get on "Noise and Girls.." is material distilled essentially from Propaganda's three singles, Dr Mabuse, Duel (and it's dark twin Jewel), and P:machinery. Lots of good things for the enthusiast, as the first reviewer of this album has pointed out. Video mixes of Dr Mabuse and P:machinery are welcome for a start, plus a TOTP-edited version of Duel (thirds). Jewel (rough cut) is the original 7" single version (as opposed to the extended "rough cut" version from the Duel/Jewel 12". Lied was one of the extra tracks from the 2time(s) seven double 7" release of Duel and it's a pity they didn't include its flipside, The Lesson, on this compilation: you can find both of these though on the "Outside World" compliation released in 2002 (and out there as mp3s, of course). You'll also find a longer version of P:machinery (Beta) on OW - the one here is the version originally released on the ZTT label sampler entitled "ZTT sampled", with added guitar from the late John McGeogh of Magazine and PiL fame.
Wonder is included here too, originally a short segment within the 20 minute Do Well assemblage that formed the cassette single release of Duel (and Do Well is present in it's full form on the second disc of the 25th anniversary "A Secret Wish"). Very pretty it is too. It's also nice to have, on CD for the first time, one of the original B-sides of Dr Mabuse, (the ninth life of...), plus an instrumental version of Femme Fatale. However, another reviewer alludes to a 12" version of Femme Fatale(i.e. extended?) which I am ignorant of - if it exists, it would have been nice to have had it here. Also, why not the original 7" b-side of Dr Mabuse, Dr Mabuse der Spieler? (Though you can find this on the ZTT collection "The Art of the 12" volume 2").
I like the version of Frozen Faces (A Secret Sense of Sin) presented here. It sounds unpolished like a demo (Claudia's vocal is clearly a bit off in places) and the spoken intro from Suzanne lacks effects, but all in all I find it much preferable to the Echo of Frozen Faces mix of the song that was spoilt (for me) by some unneccesary squarking saxophone. I'm not too keen either on the alpha mix of P:machinery included here - they nailed it, in my opinion, with the version on "A Secret Wish". This version sounds a bit of mistake, rather like the muddy re-recording (for those with a very long memory!) of BeBop Deluxe's Between the Worlds for a single release. Finally, Strength to Dream (as Testament Seven) is really just the last third of the extended Das Testaments des Dr Mabuse, which we had two tracks earlier. A great tune, but by now the sound of the barrel being scraped? The booklet liner notes ends cryptically with "Propaganda will appear next on Zambient One". I hope Salvo aren't intending to do a Tupac.
So, an essential (and cheap) purchase for me, despite the fact I've recently digitized half these mixes from my vinyl. The booklet also contains separate shots of the band members, culled from the session that produced the cover, and does point out that "Noise and Girls" accompanies the album A Secret Wish. But I would still steer the curious straight to the 25th anniversary version of that classic album.
PS Here's the 19 tracks as listed on Amazon. Those appearing for the first time on CD/download are indicated as "new to CD". For radically different versions of songs from "A Secret Wish" see the remix/mash-up album called "Wishful Thinking" - you won't find any of those versions on this CD.
1) Femme Fatale intro. A longer version of Claudia's first lines, that's all. New to CD.
2) Dr Mabuse video mix. New to CD. Not greatly different from the album version, in all honesty. Has extra 10 seconds of bats squeaking at end.
3) Femme Fatale. It was previously available on the "Outside World" compilation.
4) Duel (thirds) According to another reviewer, the shortened track they mimed to on TOTP. The piano/synth breaks before the final choruses is shortened by half. New to CD.
5) SFL (testament 5). These testaments are essentially isolated elements from the dense Propaganda mixes, so this is a bit of the backing track from Sorry for Laughing. New to CD. Nicely juxtaposed to the next trackthough ...
6) .. which is the original 7" mix of Jewel (b-side of Duel). New to CD. Shorter (3:44) than the version on "A Secret Wish" or the 12" Cut Rough mix, it lacks the spoken intro and the crazy organ bits at the front and back ends of those versions that makes them so good. That steamhammer rhythm just chugs away uninterrrupted though. I like it a lot.
7) p:Machinery (beta) From the "ZTT Sampled" sampler. This version is 1:34 shorter than the version on "Outside World" and lacks some sections of the instrumental first half that precedes the vocal rendition of the song. New to CD.
8) p:Machinery (alpha). The one radically different treatment of Machinery, I think, and incomplete. New to CD.
9) Dream. The longer version, first released on the CD of ASW in 1985, present on the 25th anniversary remaster.
10) Duel - Wonder. Formerly a segment within the 20 minute Do Well cassingle assemblage. New to CD. But if you have the 25th anniversary ASW, which includes Do Well, you might well have already done as I did, and isolated Wonder in iTunes by altering when Do Well starts and finishes! No diferent from the bit within Do Well, in other words.
11) Lied. Previously part of the Duel double 7" on vinyl, and presented first on CD in 2002 on the "Outside World" compi. It's a mix of The Chase, of course, from ASW.
12) FF (secret sense of sin). New to CD. Lots of scratchy guitar plus some jazzy electronic squiggles in the first minute or so. Suzanne's vocals more upfront and less-treated.
13) New to CD. The ending of Dr Mabuse, with extended bat noise.
14) Dr M (im stahinetz). New to CD. Pretty much the percussive backing track - reminds you that these guys were involved in industrial panel-beaters Die Krupps before Propaganda. The odd bit of dubby vocal on top.
15) Das testaments de Dr Mabuse. New to CD. Probably the definitive version for most people at 10:17 and the version originally released commercially as a 12" mix. Slightly longer than the DJ promo version on "Outside World" (9:56) but thats about all to my ears. Hasnt got the added Strength to Dream thunderstorm segment at the end like the 10:41 version on the 25th anniversary release of ASW.
16)the ninth life mix of Dr M. New to CD! Great dub version of Dr M, originally on the b-side of Dr M 12" along with Femme Fatale. Starts with a slowed-down refrain of "before you start you already bleed" from femme fatale before giving way to the scratchy "Psycho" strings from the middle of Das Testaments, then Beatles-esque bit of the recording played backwards with Suzanne's opening lines sampled on top. Finally, a reprise of the end of the song proper which ends abruptly, rather than fades out.
17) testament 7. New to CD. A few seconds of isolated scratchy strings from the middle of Das Testaments, followed by the robo-pomp sequenced conclusion to Das Testaments.
18) machinery - the video mix. New to CD. Subtely different compared to the version on ASW, Claudia's vocal comes in a bit earlier, "Power Force Motion Drive" is only said once and there's no Ralf bellowing "PROPAGANDA!" Guitar more prominent behind the verses too, and play-out is twice as long as album version.
19) Femme fatale (the orchid). Instrumental version of FF. New to me and new to CD.
3 of 4 people found the following review helpful
on 1 October 2012
Another introduction/best of/previously unreleased Propaganda compilation...
There is no doubt that the brilliant Propaganda made an important mark in the history of music, albeit very briefly in 1984/85. It is worth mentioning that the band recorded a total of 9 songs of which 2 were cover version and one a poem set to music.
While I must admit to feeling used (again) by ZTT and their endless marketing strategies (do you want to know how many versions of singles and albums I have of the forementioned 9 songs? No, well neither do I) - the Product sounds better than ever: The heavy basslines and synthesizer washes clouded in cathedral reverb sound as modern and fresh as they did when first released, and makes for the most powerful dark pop since....well since the last Propaganda re-release!
They also performed Throbbing Gristle's "Disclipline" which made an appearance on Propaganda's first appearance on The Tube. The bassline later cropped up on the remix album "Wishful Thinking" (and in fact surfaced on "M: The Secret Tapes Of Dr Mabuse", a limited print run CD issued privately by Andreas Thein, about the early days of Propaganda. It includes also some early versions of "Dr. Mabuse") - but there may well be a good reason for omitting it here.
Good to finally see "Femme Fatale" being included but for "Discipline"? Well, don't worry - there will be another compilation in a couple of years' time...
2 of 3 people found the following review helpful
on 3 October 2012
After the "Sex Mix" debacle I was a wee bit worried about the sound quality of this Salvo/ZTT release, but all tracks seem to have their stereo imagery present and correct! Whilst Claudia's "Combined" worked well as an album, this compilation is better for the completist as the same tracks are revisited regularly (and necessarily).
Many highlights, though some of the 'unreleased' snippets sound like they are just that, rather than something truly exclusive and breath-taking. However it holds together well and the nuances of some of the mixes are great to hear on CD at last.
As per some other reviewers, a lack of liner commentary was a slight surprise, but the sound quality and strength of the original material (some of which is genuinely unreleased on CD) make this a worthwhile addition to any Prop/CB/ZTT collector.
1 of 2 people found the following review helpful
on 7 October 2012
first off, I'm a huge admirer of Propaganda, and I have quite a selection of their cds, including the remasters that salvo has been releasing...this is a decent "Greatest Hits" package, but most of the tracks can be found on the two disc edition of Secret Wish...I personally think it would have been a better notion to re-release "Outside Word" and add the other quick tracks from this cd, and do a double edition....and I will place wagers that salvo is working on releasing a "remastered" edition of Outside World....while we wait with baited breath for the next release...Take This Break..And Dance!!!
0 of 1 people found the following review helpful
on 23 November 2012
Yes, plenty of unleashed tracks to keep us diehard fans of THE band of the eighties happy, this is a glorious tribute to the best of the decade! I won't review track by track, to do so would be to undermine the collection's purpose, which is to harness the vibrancy and musical genius as expressed by Mssrs Thein and Dorper, Frau Brucken and Freytag, with a little p-machinery from Sylvian D - it's all about the Fritz Lang mood, painted in technicolour!