Customer Reviews

24
4.5 out of 5 stars
Your rating(Clear)Rate this item


There was a problem filtering reviews right now. Please try again later.

34 of 34 people found the following review helpful
on 20 August 2009
I bought this book earlier this week after it was recommended to me by a couple of friends. I've been an Annie Road season ticket holder for 28-years and I can honestly say that this is the best book I have ever read about Liverpool.
I raced through it in a day and a half because I couldn't put it down. Loads and loads of books have been published in recent years about the club, but this one is definitely the most unique in terms of the way it is written by the dry witted author, Simon Hughes, as well as the topic matter.
There are loads of stories in there that I haven't heard before about players that Liverpool might have signed after being scouted by Geoff Twentyman and of course, many stories about the players that eventually did end up at Anfield.
I reckon non-Liverpool fans would like the book as well because it's not just about the Reds. There are interviews in there with players like Martin Buchan (United), Andy Gray (Everton), Franny Lee (City) and Gordon McQueen to name just a few.
I really can't recommend this book enough to all proper football fans.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
on 1 February 2010
While an autobiography would have been better, this look back into Geoff Twentyman's life as a Liverpool scout was fascinating and startling. It showed how much work original scouts put into finding players. At the end of the day, it really demonstrated that you MUST have an eye for talent and personality to make the right decisions on players for the top level. Twentyman had that eye in abundance. There is no great detail on any player,it is just an impression but after gaining that impression, the man was able to decide if he was good enough or not and could fit into the Liverpool style of play and add to it. Many of his players could and did. It showed that the foundation to Liverpool's success was down to his findings. The proof is in the pudding and since Twentyman left Liverpool, with the exception of Dalglish's successful period, Liverpool gradually demised with poor scouting and player purchases that continue to this day. Oh for a Geoff Twentyman to be at Liverpool today, whose current scouts are the worst in top football.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
on 23 August 2010
As a Liverpool fan of over 30 years I knew Geoff Twentyman was Chief Scout during the 70's & 80's but it's only when the facts are put in print that you realise quite how critical a part he played in their ongoing success.

The book has been written using Twentyman's scouting diaries, interviews with his family & the players he recommended to sign, and more interestingly didn't recommend. Simon Hughes does a good job of piecing together the information from these three sources but I couldn't help think the book would have been an easier read if it was written as a traditional biography rather than a huge chunk of the book covering player-by-player stories. I hate to sound too critical after having enjoyed the book so much but there were a number of times where I felt the writing was a little amateurish, not just with regard to the layout but in particular where the writer's Liverpool-biased remarks are included. I'm a massive fan & no-one would be surprised to learn how I feel about United, Chelsea, etc but I don't feel the need to hammer this home just to tie my flag to the mast.

Overall it's a great idea for a book & works well. You can tell from the huge number of footballing greats who were keen to participate in this book, quite how brilliant Geoff Twentyman was at his job & arguably the greatest scout there ever was.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
on 15 January 2010
Got given this as a Christmas present after watching a documentary on LFCTV about the author Simon Hughes and Geoff Twentyman's son who helped in the research putting together this fantastic piece of writing. He gives the reader a brilliant insight as to how it was growing up in the household of Liverpool FC's most famous senior scout of all time! and how Geoff Twentyman's Ford Cortina was famously known for trawling the M6 every saturday in search of footballing talent.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
on 18 May 2010
If as a Liverpool supporter like myself your in a perpetual spiral of doom, this book will lift your spirits.
Geoff Twentyman was simply a genius in spotting players who could play the Liverpool way and it is amazing to see the difference in our incoming transfers since he left. Our current scout, Macia who has so called spotted some of the least talented players we have ever signed actually contributes to this book, that in itself is a travesty.
This book will also appeal to football fans in general as there are many interviews with players that Geoff scouted but Liverpool for one reason or another did not sign.
All in all an excellent book.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
12 of 14 people found the following review helpful
on 3 September 2009
A brilliant book which gives the reader a facinating insight into Liverpool Football Clubs' former "glory days". Stories are told about players, and managers, from other teams.around at that time. What a contrast betweeen how it was then, when money was so tight, and how it is today in the modern game of escalating transfer fees!
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
on 20 January 2013
Zipped through this on holiday recently. An interesting insight but reading it makes you wish it was autobiographical rather than another person's account. Would have been nice to have more detail/stories from players involved in the club. An enjoyable read for anyone with an interest in the club and a nice reminder of some of the old fashioned values of LFC and buying/developing emerging talents rather than finished articles.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
8 of 10 people found the following review helpful
on 4 August 2010
For any Liverpool supporter with an interest in the club's rich history, this is one of those "must-read" books. Geoff Twentyman's name is not one that will be immediately associated with success. Author Simon Hughes, however, finally brings to the public's attention the astonishing work Geoff did as Liverpool's chief scout for almost 20 years, a period that brought unparalleled success to the club through a succession of players and managers. Hughes has been able to do this thanks to the discovery of the meticulous diaries kept by Geoff himself during the years of his scouting for Liverpool, by talking to numerous well-known players, some of whom joined Liverpool and some of whom did not and by meeting and hearing the memories of Geoff's own family, principally his son William who still lives on Merseyside. There is no doubt that Geoff Twentyman is held in the highest regard by them all. Former Liverpool players that now hold legendary status amongst the club's massive fan-base have been moved to say things like "I loved Geoff. It's about time he gets recognition for all his work at Liverpool" (John Toshack) and "I owe my life to Geoff" (Phil Neal). Many of the players discovered by Twentyman won honours beyond their wildest dreams. Hughes does not claim that Twentyman's role was more important than any other employee of the club at the time. But he has thoroughly researched this wonderful book and given a rare glimpse into the workings of a professional football club that was run efficiently from top to bottom, an efficiency that reaped its rewards in terms of trophies won on a regular basis, certainly during most of the time that Geoff Twentyman was in charge of Liverpool's network of scouts.

The early chapters of the book cover Geoff's upbringing and entry into football as a player with Carlisle in 1947. Less than two years later Bill Shankly was appointed as manager of the Cumbrian club with the significant impact that each would have on the other's life. Former Carlisle player and manager Ivor Broadis was also mesmerised by the Shankly personality. Says Broadis, "That's why he and Geoff got on so well. They both had very similar values about honesty. When Bill became manager, he immediately moved Geoff to centre-back and made him captain - a position and role he considered very important. He did a similar thing with Ron Yeats as soon as joined Liverpool years later".

Shankly moved to Grimsby Town in 1951, by which time Twentyman had become an integral part of the Carlisle team. The player's early impressions were significant: "Bill was a tremendous fella. One of the best in my lifetime. It was great playing under him just for his enthusiasm". Another tribute comes from respected football writer John Keith: "Shanks made Geoff his captain at Carlisle because he had all the qualities that he looked for in a human being first and as a scout second. He was honest, loyal and wasn't flashy". Geoff's consistency brought him to the attention of other clubs. Wolverhampton Wanderers were impressed enough to make a bid of £10,000 but Carlisle eventually accepted an offer of £12,000 from Liverpool. Twentyman openly admitted years later in a radio interview with Merseyside's Billy Butler that he already felt an affinity with the people of the city, having met many Liverpudlians during his time in the Armed Forces while completing his period of National Service. "They were passionate people", he recalled. "It made me want to go to a place like Liverpool". A pleasant and encouraging letter written by Shankly a day after Twentyman signed for Liverpool is reproduced in the book. Bill's kind words proved that the bond between them was already a strong one ... and it would become even stronger after Shankly too moved to Liverpool in 1959.

Geoff's career as a Liverpool player was a modest one; 184 first-team appearances in the dark days that followed the club's relegation from the First Division. He had been brought in by manager Don Welsh in an attempt to shore up a defence that had been leaking goals for fun in the relegation season itself, 1953-54. But although he played in every League match from making his debut in the middle of December until the end of the season, Geoff's introduction occurred too late to prevent the slide into the Second Division, the team only winning 9 League matches all season and it wasn't until early-April 1954 that Geoff was able to celebrate being part of a Liverpool team that took maximum points from a First Division fixture.

Twentyman played fairly regularly for Liverpool for the rest of the 1950's and was a member of the team humiliated by Worcester City in the F.A. cup in 1959. This miserable defeat, one of the lowest points in the club's history, led to Phil Taylor resigning on the 17th of November but within days of Bill Shankly being appointed to replace him two weeks later, Geoff Twentyman had already decided to move across the Irish Sea to become the player-manager of Ballymena United. Geoff stayed in Northern Ireland for four years before returning to the British mainland for a second and much shorter spell with Carlisle. When his playing days were over, he became the manager of non-League Morecambe before accepting an offer to manage Hartlepools United on the other side of the country, a position he held for only three months before being controversially replaced by Brian Clough. When this happened, Geoff's wife was pregnant with their son William. The Twentymans were given one month to leave their Hartlepool house because Clough wanted to move into it. They still owned a property in Carlisle but that was being rented out. William recalls with some bitterness, "Brian Clough had my mum and dad turfed out before the end of the month's notice. My mum hated Clough for that. She resented him for the rest of her life and wouldn't hear a good word said about him". William's father was unable to find another job in football. He worked in Carlisle as a van-driver for a while but was considering trying to get a job with Ford's in Halewood, south Liverpool. On the very same day that he was planning to travel to Merseyside, LFC's chief scout Norman Lowe left for America. Not long afterwards came the contact from Bill Shankly that would change Geoff Twentyman's life ... and also Liverpool Football Club's fortunes. Shankly gave Twentyman the chance to (a) replace Lowe as chief scout and (b) combine an already-strong friendship with a different sort of working relationship from the one that had marked the two mens' time in Carlisle in the previous decade.

Having explained the steps that led to Geoff Twentyman's appointment as Liverpool's chief scout, Simon Hughes then turns to the role itself before starting to highlight the seemingly endless stream of professional footballers that Geoff went to watch, with successive chapters dealing with the 1960's, the 1970's and the 1980's.

Geoff had got to know Liverpool chairman TV Williams pretty well and apparently spoke a lot about Bill Shankly to his chairman. Mr. Williams recognised Geoff's ability to `spot a leader'. When it came to choosing a new chief scout "Shanks realised", according to Ivor Broadis, "that he needed someone he could trust to sign the players that would make Liverpool great again, and Geoff's character suited that role perfectly". Put in simple terms, Twentyman's brief was to find the best young players Liverpool could afford with the potential to develop in the future. He was not expected to bring in already-established stars from other clubs. Over the years he became known as a man who had a phenomenal ability to spot young talent in the lower leagues and make his move before scouts from any other big club were sniffing around. Shankly & Twentyman deliberately decided to focus on players who had what they called a `northern soul'. So successful was this policy that until Paul Walsh joined the club in 1984, no southern-born footballer, with the exception of Phil Neal who was born in Northamptonshire, achieved any real distinction at Anfield throughout Shankly's reign and beyond. Twentyman's role often over-lapped with that of Tom Saunders, the designated Youth Development Officer at the club. Saunders explained that the system was about signing players who were already "three-quarters of the way there", after which they could be "nursed through to the first team". Saunders was appointed to his post in 1968 (so a year after Twentyman became chief scout) but both men left in 1986 so they did spend a considerable amount of time together looking at possible players, although neither was `exclusively focused on finding players of a particular age'.

Eleven years after the Reds had been hugely embarrassed at Worcester, there was an equally high-profile F.A. cup exit, this time at the hands of Second Division Watford. When the team played host to Derby County a week later, Lawrence had been replaced by Ray Clemence, Yeats by Larry Lloyd and St. John by Alec Lindsay. Three more Twentyman discoveries in Heighway, Keegan and Toshack would soon arrive at Melwood to form the nucleus of the side that would finally bring trophies back to the club in the early part of the 1970's.

Phil Thompson is just one of numerous ex-players who were only too happy to share their memories of Geoff Twentyman with Simon Hughes. Phil said that Geoff had a `natural skill' in spotting a young player's potential and "didn't delegate too much because he knew the system well and did it all on his own". Thompson himself did a lot of travelling to watch matches in the early stages of his role as assistant to Gerard Houllier. So he knows how tiring all that travelling could be. Twentyman was driving many thousands of miles each year across the length and breadth of the mainland, often inheriting his manager's old cars when they were replaced every couple of years; Geoff would then drive them into the ground in his pursuit for the talent of the future. William Twentyman's brother Geoff Junior recalls that he was often quizzed by school-friends about which player Liverpool would be signing next. However, there was a kind of unwritten family rule that the brothers would not ask their father who he had been looking at, instead waiting until Geoff Senior gave out `snippets of information' that he was prepared to divulge without breaking the confidentiality of his job. He was frequently away for several days at a time watching players in the north of England and also Scotland. Consequently, he was rarely able to watch Liverpool's first-team, including so many young men that he had recommended, play on Saturday afternoons at a time when their brand of football took them to the pinnacle of English football and also on the continent. But missing out on the domestic matches meant that he was able to witness live some of the club's historic European adventures and on one memorable occasion after the Rome final of 1977 he even managed to bring the giant European cup back to his home, where an inquisitive William, then about 10 years old, found it in the velvet bag that it was carried around in. William said that his father had also brought the UEFA cup home a year earlier. Geoff's knowledge of the local football scene meant that he was often able to pass on valuable tips to his boys about other players and the right preparation. Geoff Junior turned out to be a more than capable footballer who spent the bulk of his career (1986-1993) at Bristol Rovers after earlier spending three years at Preston North End.

In the 1960's about the first player that Geoff Twentyman recommended to his manager was Francis Lee, then at Bolton Wanderers. But the financial restraints of the time meant that Lee was out of reach. As Lee reminisces with Hughes, it seems clear that he would have loved the chance to play under Shankly at Anfield and says that Shankly himself often told him that it was `one of his biggest regrets in management' that he wasn't able to bring Lee to Liverpool. Inevitably some players (like Lee) would slip through the net but in the same year of 1967 one of the most significant of all Twentyman's recommendations, Ray Clemence, arrived from Scunthorpe United. Ray was one of only three players, the others being Kevin Keegan and Ian Rush, from the Twentyman era who left Liverpool when they still had something to offer to another club. Significant profits were made on all three with Rush of course returning after only a year away to help steer the club to further success in both League and cup competitions.

For every local player like Jimmy Case or David Fairclough scouted by Twentyman who would go on to have a big impact for Liverpool's first team, there were others like John Gidman who would end up elsewhere. One player who would surely have made a big impact at Anfield was Kevin Beattie, who like Geoff himself came from Carlisle. Having impressed at two trials, Baettie returned to Cumbria but was due to return to Liverpool a couple of weeks later expected to sign for Liverpool. Twentyman went to Lime Street station to meet the youngster but couldn't spot him. Beattie insists that he made the journey as planned and was disappointed that nobody had turned up to meet him because "I couldn't wait to get there so there was absolutely no way I'd turn them down". A week later he signed a contract with Ipswich Town.

The list of players goes on as the 1960's turn into the 1970's. Amongst the men who did sign contracts with Liverpool as a result of Twentyman's involvement were John Toshack, Kevin Keegan, Terry McDermott, Joey Jones, Phil Neal, Alan Hansen, Gary Gillespie and Alan Kennedy; those who were looked at but ended up elsewhere included Trevor Francis, Andy Gray and Martin Buchan. The men who wore the Liver bird proudly on their chests all enthuse in a similar way about Geoff Twentyman; those who did not wonder wistfully what it might have been like to play at Anfield with great players and under just as great managers. One of Phil Neal's team-mates at Northampton, John Gregory, recalls that "when Phil went to Liverpool, it gave everyone at the club, including me, a massive buzz. I started to believe that if Phil got spotted, then there was a chance that I could too". Gregory and others learned a lot about Geoff Twentyman from Phil Neal and it gave them the belief more than hope that better things could be around the corner for them as well, even if they could never hope to match Neal's astonishing medal haul at his new club.

Gary Gillespie was one player who had more experience than most when he was eventually signed in 1983, having captained Falkirk's first team at the very young age of 17. Reflecting on the fact that Twentyman usually preferred to sign players with limited experience, Gillespie recalls, "When you look at the people that Geoff signed, a lot of them, including me, had something in common in that we weren't superstars in our own right when we came to Liverpool. The players that came in were all unknowns, and through Geoff and Liverpool, they became world stars. That's the difference between being able to spot talent and going and buying that talent at the right price". From Geoff's scouting book we know that Gillespie was first watched in his Falkirk days and his progress there and at Coventry was carefully monitored before Liverpool made their move.

Into the 1980's came Ian Rush, Steve Nicol, Bruce Grobbelaar and Jim Magilton and although the last of those would fail to break through into the first-team at Anfield, that was the exception rather than the rule. Others like Simon Garner, Tim Flowers and Tony Cascarino talk enthusiastically about being flattered to be linked with Liverpool through Twentyman's involvement as a scout. Flowers says (with some regret?) "to think about going there would have been fantastic" while Cascarino (a boyhood Liverpool fan whose bedroom was full of Liverpool memorabilia) says "If I'd gone to Liverpool it would have been as good as it gets as a footballer. It would have been my dream move. I am just pleased to know they were impressed. The highlight of my career was playing for Millwall in front of the Kop".

Geoff continued to be a Liverpool employee until 1986, even though the final entry in his scouting diary was written in 1982. The European ban following Heysel in 1985 hit the top English clubs hard and Everton emerged as a serious challenger for the domestic honours. One of Geoff's closest friends in football from his Ballymena days, Norman Clarke, a man who had watched dozens and dozens of players on Geoff's behalf, believes that failure to spot the potential of Gary Lineker was partly responsible for Twentyman leaving Anfield when he did. Clarke even candidly says, "Lineker finished Geoff off". Although Lineker had a hugely-impressive debut season at Goodison Park, it was Liverpool who took both League championship and F.A. cup and in the aftermath of that unprecendented `Double' success, two employees left Liverpool Football Club, Chris Lawler and Geoff Twentyman.

Geoff was approaching his 57th birthday when he left Liverpool's employ. Graeme Souness, who knew all about him from his own time as a player at Anfield between 1978 and 1984, was now managing Rangers in Scotland and was quick to invite him to come and join him in Glasgow. Says Souness, "I couldn't believe Liverpool let him leave. I wanted him to do exactly the same things he'd done at Liverpool. I honestly believed I was getting the best scout in Britain. He was definitely the kind of person I wanted at my club". It was due to Twentyman's involvement that Mark Walters, Trevor Steven, Terry Butcher and Mark Hateley all ended up at Ibrox. Geoff remained there until 1991 when Rangers seemed to change their policy to get rid of English players or rather not to sign any more. As someone who had been mainly used to scouting in northern England as well as Scotland, Geoff knew that his time in Glasgow was running out. Apart from the brief period when he left Hartlepool, for about the first time since he had joined Carlisle as a professional in 1947, Geoff was out of the game and when no offers were forthcoming, he went into retirement.

Son William says that the last ten years of his father's life were "slow and painful. Football was his world; he had no other interests to occupy his mind". His health deteriorated and by the end of the 1990's he had moved into a nursing-home suffering from Alzheimer's, the dreadful disease that takes away the mind, so much so in Geoff's case that he was no longer able to recognise his own family. "By the end of his life", says Hughes, "he had lost every recollection of Liverpool's greatest nights, nights fuelled by the players he spotted".

Geoff Twentyman died in Southport on the 16th of February, 2004. During his time as Liverpool's Chief Scout, the club won the English championship 9 times, won 6 domestic cups and 6 major European trophies. The Reserve League, in which so many of his signings first plied their trade on arrival at Anfield, was won fourteen times during the same period. Additional trophies not usually classed as major came in the Charity Shield (5 outright and two shared) and the European Super cup in 1977. All of those successful Liverpool teams from 1973 to 1986, so far as the major tournaments were concerned anyway, were sprinkled with men who were plucked from obscurity by Geoff Twentyman and set on the path to greatness.

All of us who support Liverpool Football Club need to realise just what a huge debt we owe to Geoffrey Twentyman for his loyalty and service to the club he proudly played for in the 1950's but even more proudly represented as a scout in the next three decades. We also probably owe a debt to author Simon Hughes for the way he has brought Geoff's achievements to our notice. I'll leave the final word to another Liverpool legend, a man who knew Geoff Twentyman well, Phil Thompson who says simply "You couldn't put a price on the players Geoff signed in today's climate"
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
on 2 March 2013
Being a lifelong Liverpool fan, this piece of nostalgia, took me back to a time when football was a simple affair. The simplistic way football transfers were conducted all those years ago brought home, how today's football world has ravenously diluted a sport (football has always been a business, but not to the levels of today), and killed a bit of love I have for the game. Geoff Twentyman was a genius, the like we will never see again. The dedication and foresight he exhibited, during the time he served Liverpool, was nothing short of brilliance. I urge any young fans of Liverpool F.C., who have a real and genuine interest and passion for the history of the club, to read this. Along with Shankly/Paisley, Geoff Twentyman can rightly be mentioned, as a major component in the building of the legendary institution.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
on 14 January 2013
As a football fan growing up in the 1970s and 80s Liverpool were THE CLUB to watch. This book gives a fascinating insight into the secrets of the famous bootroom and looks at players before they were famous. The secret diary of Geoff Twentyman opitomises the foundation on which Shankley (with Twentyman's help) built a dynasty. Twentyman and Shankley looked for basic values in player's of; honesty, enthusiasm and being able to pass and move. They were then immersed in the reserves and learned the Liverpool way.The reflective interviews of the players indicates how much it meant to play for the club, when winning still meant more than contractual wealth.
0CommentWas this review helpful to you?YesNoSending feedback...
Thank you for your feedback.
Sorry, we failed to record your vote. Please try again
Report abuse
     
 
Customers who viewed this item also viewed
Red Machine: Liverpool FC in the '80s: The Players' Stories
Red Machine: Liverpool FC in the '80s: The Players' Stories by Simon Hughes (Paperback - 14 Aug. 2014)
£7.19

The Nowhere Men
The Nowhere Men by Michael Calvin (Paperback - 12 Jun. 2014)
£6.29

 
     

Send us feedback

How can we make Amazon Customer Reviews better for you?
Let us know here.