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1.0 out of 5 stars Totally mis-leading
As a seller and then collector of 20 years I totally concur with what the experienced dealers are saying about this book. At least 75% of the entries should not be in there. It is difficult for dealers to get more than 5 - 10 for anything now unless it is quite rare and in excellent condition. The fabricated prices also spawn other problems. Private sellers who see...
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1.0 out of 5 stars Totally mis-leading, 14 Dec 2012
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As a seller and then collector of 20 years I totally concur with what the experienced dealers are saying about this book. At least 75% of the entries should not be in there. It is difficult for dealers to get more than 5 - 10 for anything now unless it is quite rare and in excellent condition. The fabricated prices also spawn other problems. Private sellers who see this guide end up with a completely false idea of the value of their collections. Most people purchase 'chart' music which now has no commercial value and therefore cannot sell their collections because of the rediculous price they want. You also see deluded dealers at Record Fairs who think the book is a price list. One dealer in particular at midlands fairs always consults the book for the tatty singles he sells and quotes a rediculous price to un-knowledgeable members of the public who stand to be exploited by this practice. Charity shops also sit on run of the mill records with crazy prices on them which just makes them look stupid.
There is a huge amount of vinyl on the market which will increase as more people turn the dreaded digital media. Sadly 90% of vinyl is effectively worthless with prices steadily falling.
It is in the interests of the publishers to try and keep prices artificially high but they are not kidding the sensible ones. There is enough information on the internet to value your vinyl without buying this ''guide''!!
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16 of 16 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Lazy 2014 update !!, 31 Dec 2012
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Just got my refund for the new 2014 version, poorly revised and updated. Too many major releases STILL not mentioned!! Keep your old copy for a few years until RRPG wake up!!
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55 of 58 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly (Custard)...", 10 Oct 2012
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Published Oct 2012 by one of the UK's longest-standing music magazines RECORD COLLECTOR (33 years of experience) - "Rare Record Price Guide 2014" weighs in at a whopping 1434 over-sized pages. And with 11 previous issues under their belt (I contributed to several of the early ones) - the wealth of accumulated info and detail on offer here is both vast and varied. But as with all tomes that appear every two years (supposedly fully revised) - there's good and bad news...

THE GOOD
In alphabetical order each page gives you an Artist discography of sorts - every UK-released 7" single worth over 5 - every 78", EP, 10" and 12" single over 8, every LP over 12 (originals and reissues), 2LP sets over 15 and CDs over 18. The scope of the book is 1950 right through to the '10s - covering a huge array of genres.

Entries start with 7" SINGLES - Year Of Release, Catalogue Number, A & B-sides named - plus (in brackets afterwards) any other info relevant to that release - picture sleeve, shaped picture disc etc. Some of the bigger artists like Bowie, Madonna and U2 get entries for mispressings, promo issues, demo copies and some foreign releases. 78", 10", 12" and CD singles also feature full track-lists but 7" EPs and LPs DO NOT.

The UK STERLING VALUE in the furthest right column is for MINT copies with a Ready Reckoner page in the rear to calculate lesser grades - EX (Excellent), VG (Very Good), Good, Fair, Poor and Bad. 'Record Collector' is keen to stress that at the highest levels - say a Mint copy of Elvis Presley's legendary 1st UK LP "Rock 'N' Roll" - the listed price of 500 is a 'guide' - at auction it might fetch twice or three times that price because LPs from 1956 are impossibly rare in genuine Mint. Conversely whether or not you'll get 80 for a MINT copy of Deep Purple's "Fireball" from 1971 is another matter...

12" ALBUMS start with Year of Release, the Title in CAPITOL LETTERS (to visually differentiate them from other entries), Catalogue number (Mono and Stereo where applicable) and again any relevant info to packaging - gatefold sleeves, textured covers, inserts, posters, free singles etc. CD albums follow lastly.

Beneath many discographies is another very helpful adage - a tie-in list relevant to the Artist. The 60's group THE IDLE RACE for instance shows The Move and Electric Light Orchestra are associated to them because all three bands had JEFF LYNNE in them (there's also mention of Lemon Tree, Trevor Burton, Mike Sheridan, Traveling Wilburys and others).

ARTISTS FEATURED:
The best way to show just how comprehensive this massive book is - is to list a fraction of the featured names...

BLUES, RHYTHM 'n' BLUES, ROCK 'n' ROLL, MALE and FEMALE VOCALS:
Tony Bennett, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran, Fats Domino, The Drifters, The Everly Brothers, Connie Francis, Billy Fury, Buddy Holly, John Lee Hooker, Howlin' Wolf, Louis Jordan, BB King, Peggy Lee, Julie London, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Dean Martin, Muddy Waters, The Platters, Johnnie Ray, Frank Sinatra, Bessie Smith, Big Joe Turner, Gene Vincent and Dionne Warwick.

ROCK and POP:
AC/DC, Ryan Adams, Alice In Chains, The Animals, The Band, The Beach Boys, The Beatles (plus all Solo and Apple Related), Bee Gees, Blur, Marc Bolan & T.Rex, David Bowie, Kate Bush, Byrds, Captain Beefheart, Leonard Cohen, Coldplay, Cream, CSNY (& Buffalo Springfield), The Cure, Deep Purple, Donovan, Bob Dylan, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Grateful Dead, Roy Harper, Jimi Hendrix, Hollies, Humble Pie, Jefferson Airplane, Jethro Tull, Elton John, The Kinks, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, Love, Manic Street Preachers, John Martyn, John Mayall, MC5, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison & Them, Mott The Hoople, Muse, Nirvana, Oasis, Pet Shop Boys, Pink Floyd, Iggy Pop, Pretty Things, Pulp, Queen, Radiohead, R.E.M., The Rolling Stones, Santana, Small Faces, The Smiths, Bruce Springsteen, Status Quo, Steely Dan, Cat Stevens, Suede, Talking Heads, Ten Years After, Thin Lizzy, Traffic, U2, Velvet Underground, Tom Waits, The Who, Neil Young, Frank Zappa and The Zombies.

PROGRESSIVE ROCK and KRAUT:
Amon Duul, Ash Ra Temple, Brian Auger, Can, Comus, ELP, Faust, Fripp & Eno, Gentle Giant, Gong, Hawkwind, King Crimson, Kraftwerk, Leafhound, Magma, Klaus Schulze, Rush, Tangerine Dream, Ugly Custard, Van Der Graaf Generator, Mike Westbrook and Yes. There are also hundreds of entries listing rare and valuable obscurities - every progressive rock LP released on labels like Dandelion Records, Dawn, Decca, Deram, Island, Kaleidoscope, Nepantha, Pye, RCA Neon, Transatlantic and Vertigo.

PUNK/NEW WAVE:
Addicts, Buzzcocks, Clash, Damned, The Jam, Ramones, Ruts, Sex Pistols, Slits, Stiff Little Fingers, Stranglers, UK Subs, The Undertones, X-Ray Specs (and many more)

REGGAE, SKA, ROOTS & DUB:
Laurel Aitken, Black Uhuru, Ken Boothe, Desmond Dekker, Dillinger, Don Drummond, Jackie Edwards, The Ethiopians, Owen Gray, The Heptones, John Holt, King Tubby, Byron Lee, Bob Marley & The Wailers, The Mighty Diamonds, Jackie Mittoo, Derrick Morgan, Augustus Pablo, Lee 'Scratch' Perry, Prince Buster, Max Romeo, The Skatalites, Toots & The Maytals and The Upsetters

FOLK and COUNTRY:
The Bothy Band, Vashti Bunyan, Johnny Cash, The Chieftains, Patsy Cline, Shirley & Dolly Collins, Sandy Denny, Dransfield, Fairport Convention, Incredible String Band, Makem and Clancy, Mellow Candle, Pentangle, Planxty, Jim Reeves, John Renbourn, Hank Snow, Conway Twitty and Slim Whitman - as well as most all records on the Argo, Polydor Folkmill label, Topic, Transatlantic and Vanguard labels.

INDIE. ALTERNATIVE, INDUSTRIAL, HARDCORE:
Big Black, The Black Keys, Boards Of Canada, Nick Cave, Cocteau Twins, Coil, Current 93, Dead Can Dance, Death, The Fall, Felt, Foo Fighters, Four Tet, PJ Harvey, Robyn Hitchcock, Joy Division. Libertines, My Bloody Valentine, New Order, Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Porcupine Tree, Psychic TV, Saint Etienne, Sigur Ros, Smashing Pumpkins, Sonic Youth, Spiritualized, Stereolab, Stone Roses, The Strokes, Test Department, Throbbing Gristle, Tindersticks, The Wedding Present and Wire.

SOUL, FUNK and JAZZ FUSION:
James Brown, Donald Byrd, Sam Cooke, The Crusaders, Miles Davis, Deodato, Al Green, Herbie Hancock, Isley Brothers, Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, Curtis Mayfield, Parliament, Prince, Lou Rawls, Gil Scott-Heron, Ike & Tina Turner, Jackie Wilson and Bobby Womack. There's every Tamla Motown artist (Four Tops, Marvin Gaye, Supremes, Temptations, Stevie Wonder etc), Stax Records (Isaac Hayes, Staple Singers, Johnnie Taylor, Booker T etc), Philadelphia International (Harold Melvin, MFSB, O'Jays, Billy Paul etc), Atlantic Records (Aretha Franklin, Donny Hathaway, Wilson Pickett, Otis Redding, Sam & Dave etc.)

DANCE, HIP-HOP, TECHNO - Aphex Twin, Beastie Boys, Chemical Brothers, Cinematic Orchestra, KLF, Massive Attack, Portishead, Prodigy and St. Germaine

At the very back of the book is a VARIOUS ARTISTS section featuring both EPs and LPs - and two sections on SOUNDTRACKS and LIBRARY MUSIC.

THE BAD - EXCLUSIONS/MISTAKES/STUFF THAT SHOULD BE CULLED:
For a book sporting a 2014 date there's incredibly sloppy exclusions on some huge artists - Kate Bush vinyl LP entries stop at "Aerial" from 2005 but don't include "50 Words For Snow" or "Director's Cut" from 2011 - Springsteen ends with "In Concert" from 1995 excluding "The Seeger Sessions", "Working On A Dream", "Magic", "Wrecking Ball" etc. And Nick Drake has a Simply Vinyl 180-gram repress of his gorgeous 1969 debut album "Five Leaves Left" listed at 15 (try getting it for under 25) but there's no listings for the equally desirable Simply Vinyl reissues of his 2nd and 3rd albums - "Bryter Layter" or "Pink Moon"? Every vinyl album by a major artist in the last five years is issued at somewhere between 15 and 25 retail - is limited - sells out immediately and therefore becomes an instant collectable (Keane, The Melvins, Amy Winehouse etc). Large numbers of them aren't here - yet Rosemary Clooney, Bobby Darin, The McGuire Sisters and Sarah Vaughan are - when you can barely raise a fiver for any of their stuff.

While Slayer, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Metallica and Black Sabbath go from strength to strength on the metal collector's scene - artists like Def Leppard, Bon Jovi and Thunder have been dead in the water for years - and everyone knows it. So why are they in here at all? Speaking of 80's rubbish, it's maddening to see huge amounts of entries for Erasure (unsellable), Gary Numan, OMD and Kylie Minogue - then see that John Martyn's classic LP "One World" from 1977 isn't listed! It's hard to get a copy for under 15 now. In fact since his tragic passing in 2009 all his vinyl albums have escalated hugely in value - not that you'd know that from this guide.

The ELVIS PRESLEY/ CLIFF RICHARD entries go on for pages and I dispute the value of half of it - especially the mountains of dreck RCA and EMI hammered fans with in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Teresa Brewer, Freddie Cannon, Herman's Hermits, Gene Pitney, The Shadows, Johnny Tillotson, Bobby Vee - none of it sells anymore - MINT or not.

LED ZEPPELIN - in their December 2011 issue of the magazine, RC ran an extensive article of the 40th anniversary of one of the most iconic rock albums of all time - LED ZEPPELIN IV. There are 7 label variants up to the 'K' label reissue in 1973 (Kinney Music) and a few coloured vinyls beyond (even the once-budget 80's reissues now command 20+ because they're on vinyl). This supposedly 'revised' guide lists only 5 - excluding variants listed in its own article - a staggeringly stupid mistake on one of the most collectable bands on the planet...

THE BEATLES:
Although it stretches from Page 113 to 121 and looks impressive on first glance - actually using THE BEATLES section shows it up to be an indecipherable mess. Choosing to catalogue their entries in 'year by year' release-date order instead of 'title by title' has you scraping about pages trying to find what bloody pressing you have in your hand. Take "Please Please Me" the 1962 debut LP for instance - there are over 20 variants listed here (with probably many more actually out there). How do you easily determine which issue you have - there are originals, 2nd presses, remasters, export issues, foreign issues, picture disc versions - and all of them in different places? The seventh variant from 1969 is listed at 350 - would you miss that because they're not all under the same roof? The answer is YES.

I would argue that given the importance of their catalogue - the number one collectable band in the world should have their own section at the very beginning of the book. Separated - fully revised - it should PICTURE IN COLOUR 'both' the cover art of each title AND their label variations beneath that - so as to easily recognize what's what - instead of having to wade through a sea of wordy descriptions across 9 different pages...

But what's worst about this guide is something RC seem incapable of acknowledging because they'll rock too many boats - the plummeting value of a format we grew up with and adored...the 45...

THE UGLY - THE DEATH Of THE 7" SINGLE:
The following has to be said - and I hate to say because it will probably elicit vitriol from collectors and readers alike - but the humble 7" single is over as a format - and in the last few years in particular this sad demise has escalated at an alarming rate. As a fully functioning secondhand record shop - Reckless has had a Rarities Department for over 20 years now - and the lovely 7" single has always had boxes on our shelves (still do). But we've had to ease back on buying the mountains of sevens we're offered every day precisely because they no longer sell - especially if their Pop or Chart Hits or just VG and less. Two stalwarts of the 7" collecting scene have also been hammered value-wise in the last few years with no sign of abetting - London and Tamla Motown. It's no surprise that the guide often lists the DEMO value on these labels because STOCK copies are hard to sell at any price - especially those listed in 3-figures.

Sure - certain genres are still sought after and actually escalating in value - 60's Psych & Garage, Freakbeat, Punk, Reggae, Ska, Northern Soul and Metal for instance - but try getting money for Creedence or Free or Fleetwood Mac - most of which are listed at 5 or above for mint - when we can't even get a pound for them. The 80's, 90's and 00's are an absolute wasteland for thousands of titles (Oasis, Paul Weller and The White Stripes continue to buck the trend on that as do others). Who wants Fifties crooners or insipid Sixties Pop like Pat Boone, Sammy Davis, Tom Jones, James Last, Peter & Gordon, The Tremeloes, Bobby Vee and Lawrence Welk? Even worthy artists like Ray Charles, Roy Orbison and Hank Williams don't sell for anything like their list prices anymore.

Some will say that this is a personal opinion about 45s - but I feel that as the next two years progress to a point when we actually reach 2014 - as much as three quarters of all entries for 7's and 12's in this Price Guide will have no 'real world' validity whatsoever. Next time (2016) - a serious cull will need to take place or this book's title will lunge dangerously towards farce...

Other niggles - it's too expensive at thirty quid (though Amazon beat the price down to twenty) - and if you use it regularly the crappy binding disintegrates quickly and pages start to fall out.

Next time I'd suggest losing the word "rare" entirely and simply calling it "Record Price Guide UK". I'd upgrade the paper to the larger almost A4 size of the "Goldmine Standard Catalogue Of American Records 1948 - 1991" 7th Edition (see review for it and the 8th edition). You can spread out the info more - picture more - and they will hold together better because they're not as tightly packed as the RC guide. Best of all - you can have 'full' discographies in release date order and include represses. It would be a Herculean task for sure - but someday RC is going to have to tackle this ludicrously out-of-date way of printing info.

I suppose despite its flaws - and with over 100,000 entries - buying this 12th edition of "Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide 2014" is a still a solid investment for the novice - but it's become a bi-annual chore for us older hands...

I initially awarded this book 4 stars - but bluntly - the more I think about how it short changes us every time (and ends up costing us more every time) - I've brought it down to 3.

It really is time this record guide 'fully revised' itself in the real world and not just print that disputed selling point on the front cover...
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9 of 11 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars A useful book but not for the prices, 25 Oct 2012
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I write this review from the position of a professional record dealer of 30 years standing. I concur with other reviewers that the prices in this guide are ludricously wrong - 50's/early 60's releases are hideously over-valued, 70's/80's are similarly under-valued.But as a reference book for U.K. record releases/pressings it's invaluable and well worth the money.
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23 of 29 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars A LAZY MONEY-MAKING EXERCISE BY AN OUT-OF-TOUCH MAG!, 31 Oct 2012
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Oh No!!! Another heavy & out of touch book we must buy... NO WE DON'T!

sorry RC but getting your Cronies to vote this down isn't fair...

Having seen this latest effort by a magazine that has little to do with the real record scene except by being told self-appointed experts who Recklessly write gushing reviews!

As an idea, many hit records are worth 10 in Mint but unsellable for 1 even in EX. The most wanted items still make good prices but the 1960s market is finding it tough due to the buyers being hit worst by the recession. The Reggae market is still pretty good & the 1950s market is actually more alive than ever, but dealers with low grade copies can't sell them, the nice grade stuff flies out!

As a collector & seller, I didn't feel the need to buy this or the 2012 book after seeing it. If we need to refer to the 2010 book it's usually to put the record in context & then up or down the price as we see fit. We still see plenty of omissions & errors & why should I pay to keep lazy Record Collector alive?

The basic price of a 45 is 20p in a bulk lot of 100. Not many records except high grade & obvious rare & wanted ones in today's market will sell for more.

Only Collectors buy records now, there is no real secondhand market anymore with CD & MP3 preferred. Most vinyl is unsellable unless at 20p in bulk lots!

You see plenty of "Book Price Dealers" who just look in this tiresome book & quote Mint price on a tatty label VG copy & also they list the wrong side!

The pre Beatles era is still very healthy, but not on the common hit tracks. An underground Popcorn-R&B scene pretty alien to most record buyers is keeping this era fresh & as with any era, EX or better is what buyers want. Anyone saying pre Beatles is slow only has the unwanted stuff or low grade & overpriced. Good 45s are much wanted still.

Condition, condition, condition. No centre makes a record worth half or less. Label marks can knock 20% to 50% off, torn labels can make it worth only 20% of untorn price. Only out of touch sellers following this lazy book are finding it hard.

The World has changed. Ebay & Popsike are the best guides to price as this is what people PAY. Auctions don't get the best prices either. The ended Buy it Now prices give a better idea as more items are sold this way than Auctioned.

Note to Record Collector: Stop making this tiresome book. Those in the know like me can do well without it. Those who still buy it are being given a false idea. We love Records & Music, but the World has moved on & Record Collector hasn't.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Five Stars, 11 July 2014
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Bought this for my husband. He was thrilled, not only with the book but with speedy deliveryt.
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1.0 out of 5 stars One Star, 28 Jun 2014
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All fine - thanks
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5.0 out of 5 stars Great guide,, 26 Jun 2014
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This is a fantastic guide for any record collecter old or new.Of course it upsets the greedy collectors because they cannot grab your collections for mere pennies,and then sell them on for vast profits.
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3.0 out of 5 stars missing records, 26 May 2014
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there seemed to be quite a number of omissions, some by quite famous artists...
i.e. Everly's, the crickets, and some others.
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1.0 out of 5 stars It's a Marmite moment love it or hate it., 19 May 2014
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The issue is there are far too many records to include and it should be a case of genuine what to leave out.

Shirley has gone for an assumed value tide mark with pages and pages of who are/were they, almost like Record Store Day very "in the know nudge nudge wink wink" stuff far too specalist for the average record lover.

To help condense the typo is tiny the paper wafer thin and the values on more than just a few a joke in relation to reality and what's NOT out there many many mainstream artists are missing big sellers too (they also had rarities and limited edition pressings, something the Record Collecor collective overlooks.).

As a basic refernce its there, the scope needs to be widened and 2 volumes per edition more is more that includes the type and the facts from fiction. a secondhand earlier edition from 2002 has much more to offer generally and much wider in it's scope and values.

The reality check is the problem, the book says its worth 100, the seller if he is lucky may get 60, the book says it's worth under 5 so, it's not in there, the buyer finds that because the sought item is that good and loved and played that there are none for sale, as naturally everyone is keeping their copy, and, if you find a copy, its silly money 20 because it's rare to find a copy for sale, NOT because its a specalist limited pressing of 50 copies by some limited market Freak-Beat -Avent Garde-Ska- Rocksteady performer you have never herd of..and that's the problem.

It thrives on the "I know more than you" and this is what a serious collector and fan should be in to concept, where, in the real world actually you don't. Tip: take what it states in text with a pinch of salt, dealer rates are NOT retail rates!

95% of what you have at home and want to shift and sell on, won't be in here, fact is rarer than fiction, maybe Jeffrey Archer has shares in it. If you want to know a true and realistic value and secure and or sell an item try a web site such as Discogs.
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