5.0 out of 5 stars A fitting end for an awe inspiring saga
Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson have created a fitting end to a story that has spanned more than 5 millennia.
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28 of 29 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars How dare they?!!
For all readers new to the Dune series....do not fall into the mistake of assuming that Herbert's original six novels bear any resemblance to this hackneyed, ill-conceived, rushed, canon-contradictory, cash-mining, turgid, terminally thoughtless "work" by these two "authors". Imagine, if you will, a newly-discovered and incomplete Shakespeare play that someone had asked...
Published on 31 Jan 2008 by Stephen F. Harris
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28 of 29 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars How dare they?!!,
Thank you, rant over!
8 of 8 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars father knew best,
This review is from: Sandworms of Dune (Paperback)All of the Herbert sons attempt to recreate the world of Dune have failed. Frank Herbert was a writer who based his books in psychology and philosophy; those following on attempt to promote an over-explained, poorly recognised narrative as such - it isn't.
I have read nearly all of Frank Herberts books and short stories and despair at these imitations.
32 of 34 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Not in a million years.... (Spoilers included),
This review is from: Sandworms of Dune (Mass Market Paperback)I too have been waiting for this book to appear for some 20 odd years Then here it was, or here they were.
That was the first thing, in a long line of things, that annoyed me.
How on earth did DUNE 7 manage to become DUNE 7.1 and DUNE 7.2? One earlier reviewer stated that they thought it scandalous that some of us may think that the authors might try to milk this series for profit. The proof is right there sunshine, the proof is right there. This was one of the MOST ANTICIPATED BOOKS EVER, we did not need warm ups, reminders or other superflua to 'get us back up to speed' no, we just needed the story.
As to the actual story, if you are prepared to grace it with such a honourable descriptive, no way pal. My review title says it all. Not in a million years did Frank Herbert intend his story to end this way. I can see that there would be a reason why the Duncan Ghola character had been kept around all that time. I can see him as the ultimate Super Kwizatz Haderach. Can even see that this as being one of the only true and original Frank Herbert ideas to weave its way through this mess of instant toilet paper. It makes more sense as such because not only has he been around for ages, he has all of his serial Ghola memories inside him. So in a FH kind of way, it would fit in the 'real' DUNE universe
As for the rest...
Characters appear for no real reason, then get killed. Characters appear for no real reason, do not get killed but do NOTHING. Characters who have been around for a while (by this time, about 4 books worth of 'aroundness'!) certainly long enough for you to get used to how they act and react...suddenly start to act and react totally differently to any previous description! Usually in the most stupid and brain dead manner possible.
Then of course, there are the characters (and events) that have never appeared in any previous (i.e. FH's canonical) DUNE books and yet, somehow, are totally vital to the conclusion of the plot. When I read those part, I felt like I'd watched an episode of COLUMBO and the murderer had ended up being the director of that episode!
And as for the hidden enemy..?
Am I the only person that has noticed. I know that I cannot be but it certainly seems like it.
The whole of the new sections of this book (i.e. the sections that were not a part of Frank's original notes) shine out as clear as day to me because they refer to parts of the 'supposed Dune' story that only happened in the prequels written by the same two hack, no hopers. The hidden enemy, as revealed in these two works of travesty, is not even hinted at in the original six books.
If FH had wanted the great thinking machines to be the secret enemy that even the Honoured Matres were running from, would there not have been just a few more clues?
Sorry, it just does not work. A total crime of rancid cack, wrapped in glossy-cover graphics - the 'BATTLEFIELD EARTH movie' of the book world, if you get my drift.
I would only give it half a star if I could because, technically, it has all the things a book needs...
Two covers, a spine, loads of sheets of paper, words...etc.
13 of 14 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Noooo!,
4 of 4 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars Sandworms of Dune,
This review is from: Sandworms of Dune (Paperback)Having reviewed the first of the two sequels to the Frank Herbert's original series, I'd like to consider this single book on its own merits and not let the inadequacies of "Hunters of Dune" overshadow it.
Bearing that in mind, this one's still not very good. Sorry.
The writing, as before, is very average but serves the purpose. One extremely strong positive for this book is that the story really moves along, it does have one or two surprises, and there is none of the redundant material or repetition that marred its predecessor. The fairly flat writing serves it fairly well, as an already twisty plot could easily be marred by overcomplicated prose.
I'm disappointed that the writers decided to make two books out of this story, as it just wasn't necessary. This should have been one book with 50% of the first scrapped. It would have made a long novel, but a more focused, enjoyable, and better-paced one.
My primary bugbear is the same that utterly obliterated my hopes for the first instalment: the inclusion of elements from the prequels. I am certain that Frank Herbert harboured no intention of reviving the 'thinking machines' for his series' grand finale. The references to the Butlerian Jihad and the removal of technology from his stories to me was a literary device in order to create story about mankind's future, without it being tech-focused (which, realistically, you can't do without something like the Jihad in your story). I just think that Herbert Jnr et al needed an adversary to frame their ideas for the sequels - evident in the fact that the machines hardly make an appearance except at the end. Why on earth they didn't just surprise us with the Face Dancers/Handlers as an adversary I don't know, because this is a much more believable continuation of the previous stories. I'm not even sure an 'outside Enemy' was referenced in Herbert Snr's books following the appearance of the Honored Matres. I expect that they just wanted to link back to their weaker prequels to share credit for the exceptional originals, encompasing them but not surpassing them.
Having read the first book I knew that the prequel machines would be a big blight on this one too, and was prepared for it. The same goes for the awful glut of ghola clones, resulting in the revivification of the original cast. It helped me enjoy it a little more, knowing that there were going to be so many poor elements in the book. But being prepared for disappointment is not a good prelude to any novel.
There are further good points though, namely some very decent characterisation of previously neglected characters. Doctor Yueh is a surprisingly deep character, whose sudden betrayal in the original "Dune" comes out of nowhere and has little explanation. But other returning characters are flat reproductions of their originals, and dull to read, being superfluous to the plot: the Baron Harkonnen, Lady Jessica, Chani, etc.. I believe these characters, as well as Paul, are brought back only to remind readers how good the series used to be, as fan service. Very poor, and I'm sure not Frank Herbert's intention.
So, I enjoyed this more than the first of the sequels. It's a better story and better book despite all the above, and I did almost resent having to put it down occasionally - but was otherwise simultaneously irritated and disapointed at the crappier elements.
Overall, not a good legacy for the original series. Having read the full arc, from the Jihad prequel trilogy to the 'climax' duology, I can say that I wish I'd never allowed my experience of the original six books to be contaminated by the Herbert Jnr./Anderson works. Avoid the lot if you haven't already started them.
5 / 10
Author of 'Half Discovered Wings'.
11 of 12 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Utter Rubbish,
In fact I won't bother at all with this book - just use your own imagination as to how it ends. It is what Frank would have wanted.
24 of 27 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars Could have been better, but at least it's over now,
The result is not a total disaster, but on the other hand, if my idea of top quality entertainment was shouting out "it's behind you" I'd go to the local panto.
Let's face it, anyone who's come this far in the series is going to buy this to find out what happens, and in that respect the book finally ties up all the big loose ends that were left hanging at the end of Chapterhouse. Whether or not you'll be left thinking that the resolution is a satisfactory (or even believeable) one is another matter. Too many characters and factions suddenly change the ingrained behaviour of a lifetime within the last few chapters, while others simply conform to irrational stereotypes, and a number of the key people from the last novel turn out to be essentially pointless fluff. To be honest, by the end I was hoping that Omnius would finally win just to have done with it.
Having said all that, I'm glad they wrote it, because it does finally bring some closure to the storyline after all these years. Kudos to the authors for even attempting it.
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Oh My God, Why? (SPOILERS),
This review is from: Sandworms of Dune (Paperback)So we're really expected to believe that Frank Herbert intended to finish of a series of books that he'd spent so many years of his life crafting with anything close to this drivel?! I cant for a second beleive that the hidden enemy was intended to be the machines which had been brushed over at best by FH, and only made into a big part of the series by BH and KJA. I also cant believe that the whole plan from Paul Atreides to the God Emporer had been for Man and Machine to live happily ever after side by side with Duncan Idaho as some sort of super being?!
I'm truly sorry I couldn't keep my curiosity in check and avoided this book, because I think my own conclusions I came up with after reading Chapterhouse were far more satisfying than this dissappointment of a novel. I feel sorry for the trees that gave their life to put this to print, if I could give it any less stars I would...
25 of 29 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Gave it 1 star, which is 1 more than it deserves,
Brian and Kevin also found time to squeeze in references to important events that appear nowhere in Frank Herbert's books. Apparently these events will take place in yet another collection of new books set between Dune and Dune Messiah. I guess the only thing left for them to do after that will be to start selling Dune action figures and other merchandise. Brian Herbert should be ashamed of himself. He should have published his father's notes on Dune 7 and left it at that. As for Kevin J Anderson, well, he seems to be very good at cranking out mediocre sci-fi, but I just wish he'd never been allowed to taint one of the all time classics of the genre.
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Ugh,
This review is from: Sandworms of Dune (Paperback)This book (and Hunters of Dune) are so far removed from the wonderful magic of the original Dune books that it's not even funny. Sure, Brian and Kevin have different writing styles, so I don't expect them to be like Frank Herbert.
However, they completely messed up the canon, retconning as they pleased, writing whatever pleased them without a single care for the love Frank Herbert put in his books. At the end of Chapterhouse Dune, it is revealed that Daniel and Marty are renegade Face Dancers who have created their own wills/identities, breaking free of their Tleilaxu masters. However, here, Brian and Kevin have changed them into robots bent on world domination. No, really.
In God Emperor of Dune, Leto's Golden Path is revealed, he did not want humankind to stagnate, so he deliberately became the Tyrant to precipitate the Famine Times and the Scattering, so that humans would not be ruled by one person ever again. This was thrown away when Brian and Kevin decided to create the ultimate Gary Stu - the ultimate Duncan Idaho ghola/Erasmus/super-dee-dup[er Kwisatz Haderach. This made me do a major facepalm. The ending was utterly ruined by this!
Brian and Kevin also played around with the idea of Other Memory by having the Baron Harkonnen ghola have Alia in his OM! Dude, OM does NOT work in reverse! Ancestors CAN'T gain memory of their descendants, unless they Share, but Harkonnen didn't, Alia just showed up one fine day in his mind and tries to drive him crazy!
Basically, Brian and Kevin have turned Dune 7 into a massive trainwreck, and it is questionable if they even have the notes of Frank Herbert that they CLAIM to have found. Personally, I don't believe it. If you like Dune, stick with the 6 books Frank Herbert wrote, and if you want supplementary material, read the Dune Encyclopedia, because all the new 'Dune' books just read like poorly-written fanfiction.
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Sandworms of Dune by Kevin J Anderson (Paperback - 20 Mar 2008)