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4.0 out of 5 stars Very good overview including ASP's, Javascript and VBScript
I found this book to very helpful in grasping all the features and power of InterDev 6. I also appreciated the chapters on VBScript and Javascript, which many other books would probably pass on. I also got a better feel for how to use DHTML and ASP's, as well as Client vs. Server scripting. The DTC (Design-Time Controls) chapters were probably the most crucial in terms...
Published on 13 Nov 1998

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1.0 out of 5 stars Don't buy this book unless you need only very basic info
Unless you are completely new to programming for the web and Microsofts way of doing things, don't buy this book.
It covers only the very basics of writing web applications with Visual Interdev, and goes into absolutely no advanced topics. Most of the book is just screen dumps or listing of object properties and methods - nothing you couldn't find out by playing...
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4.0 out of 5 stars Very good overview including ASP's, Javascript and VBScript, 13 Nov 1998
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
I found this book to very helpful in grasping all the features and power of InterDev 6. I also appreciated the chapters on VBScript and Javascript, which many other books would probably pass on. I also got a better feel for how to use DHTML and ASP's, as well as Client vs. Server scripting. The DTC (Design-Time Controls) chapters were probably the most crucial in terms of getting a functional site up and running with forms.
On the minus side, I found many of the examples to be too trivial to bother with executing along with the book. I found it better just to read through them. There was also a bit too much repetition and "filler" in the form of context menu tables, etc. that regurgitate fairly obvious information. I also found the illustrations of many HTML examples to be useless, since they often involved setting color properties which you can't discern in black and white print.
On the plus side, this book is very readable and full of graphics, so you know what you're looking at when you actually use the product! I can't say the same for many excruciatingly dull Microsoft Press books.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Don't buy this book unless you need only very basic info, 5 Aug 1999
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
Unless you are completely new to programming for the web and Microsofts way of doing things, don't buy this book.
It covers only the very basics of writing web applications with Visual Interdev, and goes into absolutely no advanced topics. Most of the book is just screen dumps or listing of object properties and methods - nothing you couldn't find out by playing with VI itself.
Apart from that, it's not up-to-date: Three chapters are spend on ODBC, with ADO only getting 10 very superficial pages.
Most of the book - apart from the screen shots and the properties lists - are in the format: Right click the mouse to bring up a context menu; drag your mouse to the icon, etc. Very basic stuff newbies to Windows might need to be told, but hopefully no programmer should need this.
This book told me nothing, I didn't already know (and I bought this book because I wanted to learn VI) - it's not worth the money!
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2.0 out of 5 stars Microsoft Only & Not Enough Detail, 8 April 1999
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
I have two major complaints: 1. Basically, all the client-side scripts are written in VBScript. Why? I write all my client-side material in JavaScript so it is more widely supported! This is what I mean be Microsoft only -- It's fine if you want to use onyl Microsoft on your server & development end, but be realistic and expect other users once your system is in place.
2. The best example I can give for the instructional style is this: If you were teaching someone how to drive, would you just tell them that the brake pedal makes you slow down and the accelerator makes you speed up? The book is like that in many places, talking about how button 'x' does 'x', without ever explaining WHAT 'x' is or WHY you might want to use it. It's contradictory -- the book assumes too much to be for a novice user, but it re-treads so much ground on VBScript and DHTML that it makes no sense for advanced users...
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1.0 out of 5 stars The book equivalent of shovelware, 1 April 1999
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
There were a lot of first generation ASP/Interdev books that were poorly done. I didn't complain about them, because first generation books on a new technology need to be cut some slack. This, however, is a second generation book and it deserves a lot of contempt.
This book squanders half of it 623 pages covering the following (non-ASP/Interdev ) topics: VBScript, JavaScript, CSS, and DHTML. This coverage is superficial (mostly a property, event, and method table dump). The reader would be better off getting the full specifications off the web.
Unfortunately, the coverage of ASP and Interdev is just as superficial. The author defines the difference between file and machine DSNs in two short inaccurate paragraphs and then keeps referring the reader to that definition as if it was useful.
This book consumed several hours without providing any useful information.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Easily read and understood but clearly a starting point., 8 Jan 1999
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
This writers style is very easily understood. I truly enjoyed the chapters on Style Sheets (.css files) and his explanation of Design Time Controls. The small project at the end was well presented although limited in scope.
I felt there should have been more examples of how to use design time controls. The examples should have further illustrated Visual Interdev capabilities and its integration with .asp technology. The examples were limited to the recordset and the grid control. There were no examples of using the Active X Controls.
I found too much redundancy with the tables, listing object properties and methods, being strewn throughout the book. I felt this was better suited for an organized appenix that could also double as a reference. However, this book combined with Profesional Active Server pages provides a good look at web technology.
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2.0 out of 5 stars The Little Reference Book that couldn't, 19 Jan 1999
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
I work for the Federal Government... so naturally, I get a lot of exposure to documents that look good on the surface but, once you look under the covers... you're still in the dark! When I picked up this book, I thought it was going to be substative, and for those who are new to Active Server Pages, the book gives a decent intro (although it doesn't show expected (user presented)) outputs. But, if you are new to ASP and want a good intro, you are better off going with "Professional Active Server Pages 2.0" by Wrox Press. On the issue of VID 6.0, the book is sorely lacking. The numerous tables of "three word definitions" that were referred to be a previous reviewer becomes increasingly annoying, the more you get into the book... sort of like eating stuffed clams and getting only "bread crumbs"!
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3.0 out of 5 stars Good but looking for better, 11 Dec 1998
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
This book got pretty good reviews and for the most part I agree. Of course I STILL don't understand why all the ASP and InterDev books spend so much time on DHTML. Is this what folks are using InterDev for? I don't think so. The 1/3 of the book that does focus on database and actual ASP is OK. Too much time and space is spent listing menu options with three word explanations and not enough on how to really DO things. Something as simple as getting ASP to submit a form and write the results to a DB or file are not really explained. You can sort of figure it out from their bookstore example but it takes some effort. Nothing about how to get ASP to browser detection. Overall, worth the money, sort of, but I'm still looking for a really good ASP/InterDev book.
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5.0 out of 5 stars This is the best book on VI6 you will find, 13 April 1999
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
I have purchased several books on Visual Interdev, but they all lack a comprehensive explanation of the product. From the Ground Up is by far the book I use most, as it covers most of the important concepts that are not obvious when first using the product. Using this book along with the on-line help should be more than enough for any developer using Visual Interdev. Also, I had a problem with on of the examples in the book and e mailed the publisher about it. The very next morning I had a reply, and they sent me documentation to further asist me with my questions. This book is fabulous.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Great Book!, 5 Nov 1998
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
This book is a life saver. The first time I even saw Visual Interdev 6 was at a customer's site. I quickly bought the only book available at the time, the MS Programmer's guide and it was only enough to get me started. I bought this book mainly for the two chapters on Design Time Controls, but the other chapters have been helpful as well. A week later I am near completing the project, THANK YOU JOSEPH! If you have to use VID6 then this book is a must. It is well written and the chapter and paragraph titles are clearly labeled. The only drawback is the index is weak.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Excellent chapters on VID 6's Design-Time controls (DTCs), 28 Sep 1998
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This review is from: Visual InterDev 6 from the Ground Up (Paperback)
Design-time controls are one of the big new features in VID 6, and this book has two chapters (15 and 16) devoted to DTCs. Those two chapters alone were worth the price of the book. In fact, I found a solution for dynamically setting parameters for a stored procedure (p. 505) that had even stumped Microsoft support engineers. Another good chapter covers debugging. The only other book on VID 6 I might want is the big fat reference book (not the programmer's guide) from MSPress.
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