god is great and will always be


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In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2010 21:00:55 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Jun 2010 21:18:33 BDT
Clay-Zi says:
GOD HAS NOWT,NOTHING,DIDDLYSQUAT TO DO WITH RELIGION.

Amen to that truth1066

In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2010 21:06:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Jun 2010 21:19:47 BDT
Clay-Zi says:
"As for spiritual mumbo jumbo, sorry, there is nothing that proves any such thing exists other than in the mind."

So you never laugh? or cry? or feel guilt? or jelousy? or fear? or Love, or ororor.... What do you think feelings are? physical? don't you agree that they are spiritual and just as real, well actually more real that anything materialistic?

In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2010 08:20:10 BDT
Emotions are physically detectable and physically controllable. In the majority of cases emotions can be linked with altered brain neuron activity patterns and changes in neurochemistry (both physical). A good example is depression where the chemical causes behind it are relatively well understood (ie commonly characterised by altered levels of monoamines).

Furthermore, consumption of mind-altering drugs (again physical things) are able to dramatically affect emotions, in fact all of those you list. And neurochemical studies show that such drugs produce an effect by altering brain chemistry. So unless you are suggesting that drugs somehow interact with the 'spirit' (in which case show us some evidence), then you have to concede that emotions are physical entities to the best of our knowledge.

In reply to an earlier post on 12 Jul 2010 22:19:15 BDT
GoneToTexas says:
god is a tosser. Or would be if it existed.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Jul 2010 22:48:42 BDT
Clay-Zi says:
Hi there, it's taken a while to reply, I know. I wasn't sure how to answer because while you are in a state of unbelief, you will look for proof in the wrong places and I am not very good at articulating myself.

I am aware of the chemical processes that cause emotions. There is so much more to it than that though. If you look at the way memory is formed for instance: a healthy good individual thought (neuron) within the memory, that has caused the correct chemical mixture, to determine a pleasant emotion looks (physically) like a tree, with lots of strong branches. The more healthy memory its connected to, the more it is 'thought', the stronger the connections will be, the healthier the memory as a whole will be. Now if the memory is dominated by damaging thoughts; selfcondemnation, guilt, hate, jelousy all things that we know are 'Bad', the neuron (looking like a tree) will form differently because its a mutation of what our physical condition was originally made to be. Being a mutation of a good thought, the bad thought causes the wrong chemical mixture to be sent out, resulting in a domino effect that eventually results in hurtful emotions. All physical, I agree.

A part of evil spirituality can be understood as the force that puts the damaging thoughts into your mind in the first place. Its what keeps you locked into a cicle of thought attacks that keep your mind/memory damaged and your emotions in turmoil, in turn releasing the wrong dosages of eg: adrenaline because of thoughts put in your mind as a result of fear, which causes stress levels to rise, resulting in all kinds of physical and psychological problems.

Apparently 87% of illnesses (from Alergies to cancer) are stess related = the route cause of which are damaging thoughts.

The spiritual forces that keep you locked in that cycle are those working to keep you from being healthy. To keep you from being happy. To keep you apart from God.

The spiritual force that can help you out of this cycle of turmoil, pain, death, is the holy spirit by way of changing your thoughts to coincide with what the Bible teaches.

It has also been prooven that forgiveness has a strong healing effect. Forgiveness is all about refusing to think about something that has caused you pain, just as much as it is about you seeing the other person in a neutral way and wanting what is best for them.

By refusing to think the damaging thought, you're giving it less chance to toxicate your body. The more it is thought of the stronger it gets. The less it's used the weaker it gets. The connections to other neurons become less, as the other healthy neurons connect with each other and leave the damaged one out. Until eventually, it's so fahr away, it becomes unlikely that it will be thought of often enough to cause much damage.

This is only a tiny part of what science has already uncovered and prooven to be right. Things that have been written in the Bible all along. Because God knows what he is talking about and science will proove it all one day.

As for personal proof of God and all his promises, I am living proof and so is every other person who has a personal relationship with him and has been given the honour to learn from him.

The best proof you will ever see can only be revealed when your heart recognises you need help and cant do it all alone. When you ask Jesus to help you and recognise that God is your father and he loves you and his only desire is for you to love him back and turn away from the sin that keeps you away from him. Because he wants what is best for you, just as a father should. He wants to be a part of your life, he wants to show you his love. But an unbeliever will never see any proof, not because its not there but because the unbeliever doesn't look in the right places. First you believe -then the proof will come - and it will be more than you could ever imagine.

So if you sit in your room or on your chair and say "God, if you are there, help me", if your heart is earnest he will hear and help you. It is written that he's knocking at your door, all you need to do is open up and let him in.

On the other hand, if it's all bull and you feel silly talking to yourself, what do you loose? the chair won't laugh at you. If God doesn't exist you loose nothing. But if he does, if it is true - you loose everything. Unless you open your door and let him in.

Posted on 14 Jul 2010 10:45:45 BDT
Hi Caly-Zi

Much of what you say is (as far as I am aware) true (stress related illnesses, changes in the neurochemistry of individuals with psychological troubles etc). All of these have evidence based in science, but none of these things in any way provide evidence for god(s) or evil or spirits or anything else supernatural. They all have naturalistic explanations that don't require god(s).

However, there are some things you say that are less believable, that have to be evidenced before they can be considered. Without evidence, they are just wishful thinkings. A good example is your statement "A part of evil spirituality can be understood as the force that puts the damaging thoughts into your mind in the first place.". Upon what evidence is this statement based? Remember you said "This is only a tiny part of what science has already uncovered and prooven to be right", so the evidence needs to be scientific to be consistent with your (and my) standards.

Regarding the scientific consistency of the bible: History is littered with examples of things we didn't understand that supernaturalists jumped upon as proof of god(s). Things such as total eclipses, the diversity of species on earth, how the sun moves through the sky etc etc. Yet when science proves the religious texts to be untrue, then the believers `reinterpret the texts' to reconcile them with contemporary knowledge. How could an infallible god have been so wrong? Ah, well those bits are not meant to be literally read, they are metaphorical. How convenient.

Why not try this; Look at books like the bible as texts written by men who tried to explain the world they saw around them with their current knowledge as well as their religious beliefs. You can see that they are littered with the mistakes of ignorant men. Here's a good example of this: "The sun rises and the sun goes down, then it speeds to its place and rises there again" (Ecclesiastes Ch.1 vs.5). Considering that you said "God knows what he is talking about and science will proove it all one day", how do you explain such a scientifically incorrect statement?

Regarding my personal journey to god: O.K. I'll indulge you in your suggestion about asking for God's help, if you will answer me two questions:
(1) To which god to I ask for help, Allah, Buddah, Waheguru, Shiva, Thor, Neptune, Abraham or any other of the thousands of god we humans have?
(2) What should I ask him to do that, if done, could only be explained by supernatural means?

Best

Mike

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Sep 2010 01:05:04 BDT
Dc Underwood says:
Fair enough that a lot of people are arguing over the manipulation of religion, but I find it ridiculous that all the atheists here are spending their evenings arguing AGAINST the existence of something they don't even believe in. I'm not a religious person but, the last time I checked, I felt no need to write two hundred words arguing against the existence of Santa. Faith is not about solid proof, neither is love and neither is hate. It's either there or it isn't.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Sep 2010 01:06:09 BDT
Dc Underwood says:
Fair enough that a lot of people are arguing over the manipulation of religion, but I find it ridiculous that all the atheists here are spending their evenings arguing AGAINST the existence of something they don't even believe in. I'm not a religious person but, the last time I checked, I felt no need to write two hundred words arguing against the existence of Santa. Faith is not about solid proof, neither is love and neither is hate. It's either there or it isn't.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Sep 2010 08:55:59 BDT
Simple. It's because so many people do believe in god(s), and use that belief to manipulate others. My main gripe is the indoctrination of children with religious belief when they are too young to make a balanced judgement for themselves. This encourages the acceptance of ideas in absence of rational analysis, which has connotations far beyond whether or not there is a god or gods.

Posted on 12 Oct 2010 22:18:06 BDT
T. West says:
'god is great and will always be...'

so there?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Nov 2010 19:10:57 GMT
personally i dont believe that that is true, after all, many people think that the science views are complete garbage, and one of the people who lives in my area is a physisist, and he is also a Christian. so i think (no offence to you) that he knows more about scientific creation theorys than you. as i said, it's not an offence to you it is just a fact

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Nov 2010 19:11:55 GMT
i am a Christian and i am certainly not a saddo. and how is religion a buisness??

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Nov 2010 19:13:40 GMT
and athiests still hang on to their beliefs that they are the result of a freak explosion and have the right to destroy the world in the name of progress and critisize other peples beliefs even though their own beliefs are just as unfounded, and less excepted

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Nov 2010 19:15:29 GMT
what ? you lost me there mister, how is religion (which is all about God) not have anything to do with God?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Nov 2010 19:18:43 GMT
im religious, but i don't get lots of money. instead i am a missionary doing something important by helping the millions of starving people in the world. beleive me, thats not a well paid job at all!

Posted on 14 May 2012 16:40:18 BDT
Jason Miller says:
God - A man made deity. The Bible - an ancient treatise that justifies the creation of the said deity. Religion - social conformity to the said treatise by using all manner of threats, intimidation and blackmail to conform, or else. The Church, the purveyor of this monstrous fallacy through mass brainwashing and promises of ever lasting life in some man made fantasy realm or eternal damnation if the ideological system of this mini 'state' is not followed. Sound familiar?

North Korea - The isolationist, socialist creation of Marxist demagogue Kim Ill Sung. Kim Il Sung is considerd a supernatural being, a deity through incessant state inspired propaganda. Apparently Kim Il Sung was carried away by Cranes into paradise and is the eternal leader of North Korea. The eternal leader watches over and protects the country from harm and those that follow this religion will one day join Kim Il Sung in his eternal paradise. Those that don't follow will end up in North Koreas version of hell. Except, they already live there. This is what religion and the worship of false deities inspires; utter misery. One day, human civilization as a whole will wake up and realise that we are all mortal beings and do not answer to a higher being. We are born and we die. We are simply a part of the continuous cycle known as life. Stars, planets, animals are born, they live and they die.

The vast majority of the problems in the world are caused by 'religion'. God as a concept should die and the sooner the better.

In reply to an earlier post on 7 Dec 2012 20:58:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 7 Dec 2012 21:05:12 GMT
O.Binladen says:
I would like you to consider how many scientists don't believe in religion. I'm sure you will be surprised. Religion comes from the human intellect's desire for answers. We're on this planet because of gravity. The universe is far from perfect. Why are cheetahs faster than any other creatures on this planet? Is religion the quest for answers from primitive humans in their ignorance, definitely (definately?). Ponder, investigate, satisfy all your doubts using scientific methods and you will come to the conclusion that your grammar, spelling, and punctuation are risible, and the space key onyour computerappears tohavebroken.

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Posted on 8 Dec 2012 06:28:49 GMT
DJEJRobin says:
Hi I've read the whole of this blog for 2 years now and have come to the following conclusions
NO god can be proved or disproved .....so belive in what you want it makes little difference to what the natural world is doing around us we are merely short term tenants on this planet (reatively speaking) The human genome is in 2 parts : basically for the most part supid and gullable (all of us ) and clever and manipulating.
The latter control what the rest of us do including for a long time creating religion which bows to the higher being and are thus totally controlled& giving hence the catholic church ihas more wealth than most of the countires surrounding its capital the vatican ...they reach out now to the most stupid & vulnerable eg in africa , latin america , mexico ,phillipines to make their risible claims for money . The more clever who somer time pretend(to gain wealth) to be involved with God , not religion go on TV and suck the funds from the still gullable ranks then there are the capitalist ..most dont belive in anything but money and
they dupe everyone into believing we can be rich like them and pass around their corrupt schemes and the stock market trick to gain , which even I fell for previously Many of them are atheists , some believe in the man made farce of religion but dont blame God for this its all man made . I am ascientist and believe in the wayt we think the palnet developed but have no proof or need to believe in god. I used to believe in mankind ....not any more !

Posted on 8 Dec 2012 13:50:56 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Dec 2012 13:52:17 GMT
DJEJRobin says:
By the way I recently saw Chris Hitchens take Tony Blair apart in ahead to head debate
Not surprising Blair's arguments were atypical and pathetic he only just turned to catholic religion a few years ago no doubt persuaded by his wife .................Surprised the catholic faith were not smarter....labour got rid of him so maybe they took sympathy on him ....he garnered another good paying job from it ......has he achieved peace any where apart form his own house yet ???? ...another good talker BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HITCH RIP
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