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In reply to an earlier post on 31 May 2012 20:41:28 BDT
Wayne says:
"I'm intrigued. Who would you say has made a great film?"

Uwe boll

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 01:49:06 BDT
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Elia Kazan. Francis Ford Coppola. David Lynch. Sergio Leone. Alfred Hitchcock. I would suggest they're great directors (many others for sure). I don't think Kubrick comes close. All of those directors knew/know how to produce brilliant imagery but also encompassing them into the other important aspects that make great films IMHO.

The Shining is my main example: Jack Torrence goes from a bit mental to MENTAL. Wendy goes from wimpering to hysterical. It's called a character arc and is story making 101 and in most of his films Kubrick doesn't bother with it. They NEVER feel like a family. Check out the dialogue in the car heading towards Overlook Hotel concerning the Donner Party, it is absolutely terrible, I mean really bad. If they were some x-list actors I'd let it go but this is Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall, these are very good actors. The whole subtext about alcoholism goes out the window but isn't replaced by anything. And this happens again and again in his films. Somebody mentioned Full Metal Jacket but the main person in that, joker, doesn't change as the film goes on. He says he does in his annoying narration but he doesn't exhibit it. You're always disengaged with it once they actually leave the bootcamp (in my opinion this is where it should have ended) because of it. At no point do I fear for him. In a war film I think I should do.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 08:17:55 BDT
good point with the shining lol - i think it's a terrific film still like - but they don't ever feel like like a loving family; and jack - yeah he's meant to unravel as the film goes on but he starts off bat-sheet crazy anyway lol

i don't profess to like all kubrick films; as mentioned i don't particularly like clockwork or eyes wide shut, and haven't seen strangelove.......but i still think the shining and jacket are very very good, (shining one of my favourite films ever) and 2001 is a masterclass - if anything that opinion is boosted by knowing it was made in 1968 but either way you cut it - imo it's outstanding. don't really watch 2001 that often tho cos it's so slow! lol

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2012 08:24:09 BDT
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I think we're getting into the realms of opinion here but I think Kubrick within the film indusry is considered one of the greats. If you watch interviews with other directors and considered great actors many of them seem to name kubrick as a great director and influence. I used to live with a load of arty farty film types at Uni and they would talk about Kubrick (mostly Hitchcock lol) but he was very much part of their learning and discussion.

Francis Ford Coppola. Personally although I think he's done some excellent films (Apocolypse Now) he's also done some real humdingers - Dracula.

Going back to Kubrick I have to agree that the acting in his films I would never consider to be greatest but take a look at the films of other top directors and tell me they have never done a film where there has never been shonky acting. I wouldn't even (personally) consider Nicholson a great actor. I mean he is a great actor in the sense of popularity and his legacy. Personally I think he is very one-dimensional. He can only play himself in pretty much every film I've seen him in. Not saying I don't like him, and that he's not very wathcable, but Nicholson to me plays himself pretty much himself every time. Compare Nicholson to Daniel Day Lewis for example - one-dimensional - vs - someone that can change his whole persona for each and every film pulling off a role perfectly.

The thing with Kubrick (for me) is that's he's all about the cinematography. He's renowned for being a perfectionist for getting every single shot right absolutely right and putting in a lots of research before any film to make sure everything looks authentic and looks artisically right. Apparently in Eyes Wide Shut he took literally hundreds of photos of doors to choose the aboslute right one for a scene in the film - he was meticulous to the point of obsession. His whole house was filled with literally hunderds of thousands of photos of all sorts so he had a library of images to mull over. And when you look at films like The Shining IMO it's not about great acting, although personally I think for once Nicholson is great in his role, it's about cinematography (the artwork in the shot and how it's composed), the sense of fear, the suspense, the atmosphere. I mean the scenes in the bar talking to the barman (sorry forgotton his name lol) and the two little girls stood at the end of the corridor. Cinematic perfection - they are iconic images. And this equally applies to films like 2001: A Space Oddessy. A masterpiece of its time. Remember it was made in 1968 and puts many modern sci-fi films to shame that look less convincing. And again another film full of iconic imagery. Plus the whole sense of fear, wonder, suspense and the quite disturbing relationship of the astronauts with Hal the AI computer is truely genius and ahead of its time. Confusing as hell at the end but to me to me the message in the film was there to be understood, even debated and it made me think about the film afterwards and discuss it with friends.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 08:38:05 BDT
Wayne says:
I think the shinning is excellent and what always made me laugh was the fact that Stephen king disowned it and said it was more kubricks vision than his story as he changed a few things. Years later Stephen king was involved in a tv movie adaptation of the shinning and it sucked lol. Stephen king is an awful writer and his books are filled with so much padding and fluff that's not needed.

On the subject of jack Nicholson Inthink he's a terrific actor and in my opinion is far from one dimensional. Just compare his performance in say one flew over the cuckoos nest to a more recent film like the departed.

Jack Nicholson is a rare breed of actor that simply commands the screen and I would stick him in the same pot as the likes of clint Eastwood, al Pacino, gene Hackman, Morgan freeman, Robert de Niro, denzel washington and joe Pesci.

One of my favourite actors is actually brad Pitt. Every film that guy makes is different from his last film and he is very versatile and owns every character he plays.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 08:47:40 BDT
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I like Jack Nicholson. Don't get me wrong but the vast majority of his films he just appears to be playing the same person - himself. I agree he was fantastic in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I loved him in About Schmitt and As Good As It Gets but when I look at his films (well most of them) I mainly see Nicholson the actor. When I watch someone like Daniel Day Lewis I even forget it is him the actor - he is just so absorbing, convincing and versatile in his roles. So to me this is the difference between an actor I really like watching like Nicholson (that has pulled off one or two great roles) and an actor that is pure genius like Daniel Day Lewis. Anyway that is a whole different discussion lol compared to Kubrick. And it's just my opinion I know many people may well think differently to me;-)

"Jack Torrence goes from a bit mental to MENTAL. Wendy goes from wimpering to hysterical. It's called a character arc and is story making 101 and in most of his films Kubrick doesn't bother with it. They NEVER feel like a family. Check out the dialogue in the car heading towards Overlook Hotel concerning the Donner Party, it is absolutely terrible, I mean really bad. "

One thing I forgot to mention in my wall of text is that I found Nicholson's whole downward spiral into mental illness and the relationship with his family (kid/wife) very convincing in the film TBH. Never really thought about it before you mentioned it. I mean it was never something I'd write home about but I never had a problem in the film on this front.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 09:12:09 BDT
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I have that Stephen King adaptation of The Shining on DVD. I love how Kubrick's version of the cook (Halloran) is a soft-spoken elderly gentleman but SK's is some middle-aged, jive-talking ADHD schizo lol. I'm a huge fan of Stephen King - own all his books, films and TV shows - but to publicly bash Kubrick's (loose) adaptation then release that crap.. must have been back in his drinking days

WRT Kubrick - his imagery is timeless and iconic, and his films are seminal. Is there some shoddy acting in The Shining? Of course, he hired Shelley Duvall, but the movie is still a masterclass in isolation and claustrophobia

I think that we're in a new Golden Age of directors atm, where they're almost as big as the leading star again. Where once we had Kubrick, Hitchcock, et al, now we have Guillermo Del Toro, David Fincher, the Coen brothers, David Lynch, Paul Thomas Anderson, Clint Eastwood, Christopher Nolan, Quentin Tarantino, Hayao Miyazaki, Frank Darabont, etc

R - Have you seen Nicholson in Easy Rider or Chinatown? Two masterpieces worth checking out, though he's not in Easy Rider for long

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 09:14:24 BDT
It's good to see that I'm not alone in being a bit of a cinephile in the video game forum.

I remember when Brad Pitt did Fight Club and before that all the girls would go on about him so I'd never watch anything with him in. After FC I loved that guy. He was so good in that film I went back and watchyed True Romance and didn't even realise he was in Themla and Louise! Although he was lucky Fight Club gave him enough in the awesome bank to ride out the awful Meet Joe Black.

Ryan Gosling is the new Brad Pitt. Never would watch the Notebook as it's a 'chick flick' but he is just brilliant in Half Nelson, Blue Valentine and Lars & the Real Girl. Then when Drive came out he became the coolest person on earth. Cannot wait the Logan's Run remake with him, directed by Nic Winding Refn and written by Alex 'I'm the best screen writer in Hollywood' Garland.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 09:23:06 BDT
Yea I think Brad Pitt is a really good actor. He's quite versatile. I liked him Fight Club. I also thought he was good in Twelve Monkies too.

I was just thinking. Seeing as we've all got pretty different opinions on great actors and great roles. Which actor in which film role would be your favourite - your considered greatest acting performance. Mine would be Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 09:25:59 BDT
Jeff Bridges in The Big Lebowski

Heath Ledger as The Joker gets an honourable mention

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 10:49:11 BDT
DaveOz says:
Michelle Pfeiffer is a personal favourite of mine. Aside from her stunning beauty, I rate her highly as an actress. The obvious is Batman Returns in which she plays 3 different types of the same character (Selina Kyle) - she completely owns that movie. She was also fantastic in Scorsese's The Age of Innocence.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 11:32:24 BDT
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brad pitt in 12 monkey's was brilliant - a nutter with a twitch, and to go from that to achilles in troy, and then shrivelled old man in benjamin button, stoner slacker in true romance........very versatile and convincing actor. my favourite performance from him is in se7en tho...at the end...in the desert....i felt his pain!

best performance by anybody ever? there has already been a shout for daniel day lewis in there will be blood......i'm inclined to agree. he's also amazing in gangs of new york.

one of my favourite performances is joe pesci in goodfellas :)

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2012 12:12:50 BDT
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"R - Have you seen Nicholson in Easy Rider or Chinatown? Two masterpieces worth checking out, though he's not in Easy Rider for long "

Considering the number of films I've seen I don't recall seeing them lol. I I know they're both considered excellent films, especially Easy Rider. I'll have a look on Netflix and Lovefilm. I still haven't seen Scarface either. I once turned on the TV right bang in the middle of the Chainsaw scene and I had to turn the TV over quick. I checked what the film was in the listings and thought I doubt I want to watch that lol. And I hear great things about the film.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 12:14:50 BDT
Bunny says:
"I still haven't seen Scarface either. "

you want to remedy that R, classic period piece of Gangster goodness, some great performances in it too

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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2012 12:27:33 BDT
Looks horrific though. People being chopped up by chainsaws in the shower lol. Nice.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 12:32:02 BDT
it's a brutal film, but ooooh so good !!

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 12:33:21 BDT
Chinatown is an astounding film. It's film noir as you've never seen it - instead of taking place in the smoke, grime and shadows of New York, it takes place in sunbaked LA. Just a brilliant mystery, great performances and beautiful cinematography

WRT Scarface - you need to watch it. It's never hugely violent (you never really see gore, its more implied or off-camera), the acting is brilliant, its quotable as hell and is a brilliant story. Captures its time period wonderfully

I don't care if you've seen 50,000 films. You *need* to see Chinatown, Scarface, The Big Lebowski and Assault On Precinct 13 (original) if you haven't!!

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2012 12:35:25 BDT
I've seen The Big Lebowski and Assault on Precinct 13. Both great films.

Are you sure the violence in Scarface is implied - looks f'ing horrendous to me.

I will sure watch Chinatown and Easy Rider.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 12:41:38 BDT
Yes, mate. The chainsaw scene is mostly off-camera - you don't see the guy getting cut at all, only a bit of blood splatter lol. That's literally the most shocking bit of the film and you see worse things in 12A-certified films these days

I love the film - really manages to encapsulate that sense of greed > momentum > inevitable downfall. Pacino turns in his career-defining role and just chews scenery, a brilliant screen presence

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 12:50:48 BDT
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OK. I'll give Scarface a go. Is not that I don't watch films containing violence, I mean Saving Private Ryan is one of my favourite films, but sometimes I think some films can go over the edge into something that isn't very palatable or pleasant to watch. Like I refuse to watch the Hostel films - somebody bought it me on DVD lol - I think as a joke. Sat in my cupboard unopened lol.

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 12:58:14 BDT
Bunny says:
+1 what Paul said, I wouldn't really say Scarface is violent, a few gun shots and the shower scene which as Paul says is off screen. Its just brilliant telling of a great story

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 13:52:05 BDT
+1 too in that it's pacino at his best, (and he's one of the all-time greats so yeah....it's good!)

did you like GTA:VC R? if so then you'll love scarface :)

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 13:55:12 BDT
Wayne says:
Any violence in scarface is absolutely necessary to help tell the story. It's not torture porn like hostel. One of al pacinos greatest ever films, love that Cuban accent. Plus practically every song in the film was on one of the radio stations in GTA III. I've got the soundtrack it's brilliant. Can't rave enough about the film to be honest. Get it watched!

Posted on 1 Jun 2012 14:03:33 BDT
Christ the pressure lol. I'll watch it.

If I turn into a Chainsaw wielding mad man I'll blame you lot.
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In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2012 14:05:47 BDT
"If I turn into a Chainsaw wielding mad man I'll blame you lot."

No, you can just blame the games like everyone else.
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