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Initial post: 17 Nov 2010 23:52:25 GMT
Hamster says:
Now, I recently did a review for the new Call of Duty game, Black Ops. It has been on the net for a few days now, and has generally attracted positive votes/ comments, then I get four negative votes. Ok it's no big deal, but anyone who has read it cannot possibly say that "it's not helpful!" it took me forty-five minutes to write!

What does everyone else think about these jealous voters, but equally at the end of the day, it's only a rank online, so who cares?

Posted on 18 Nov 2010 09:10:31 GMT
The Emperor says:
I think that some people just give a negative vote based on the reviewer giving a different number of stars to them.
They probably didn't even read your review.

Posted on 18 Nov 2010 11:23:10 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 18 Nov 2010 13:28:56 GMT
The Truth says:
It is annoying but in the end, what I've realised (as a recipient, not someone who goes around negging reviews) is it's futile - because if a review is good, it will attract infinitely more positive votes than negative - so you'll likely get 3 or 4 negs but 10 or so positives. It's a pointless task on their behalf.

Posted on 20 Nov 2010 10:37:59 GMT
M. Dowden says:
I have seen with at least one review I put on, that myself and everyone else got a negative vote from one person because unlike the rest of us he gave the item in question one star because he didn't like it. Mainly you notice this more with films, cd and books, especially older novels where a person doesn't always understand the long and obscure words used. I am not being bitchy, in case anyone thinks that, it is just that I saw quite a well written review recently but the person had given it a low star rating, and literally this was because they had to use a dictionary because they couldn't understand all the words. It would be like giving a French novel a bad review because you had to use a English/French dictionary from time to time. : )

Posted on 20 Nov 2010 13:52:20 GMT
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Posted on 20 Nov 2010 18:17:55 GMT
M. Dowden says:
Crumple, I get what you mean, but apart from the likes of Stephen Fry not many people do it, unless they want to be insulting politely : ). The actual book I was looking at the review for was a 19th Century classic, and lets be honest some of them can be quite long winded, especially when they put in bits of Latin and or Greek. Its like picking up a Henry James, you just know it will be long winded (although great at the same time).

In reply to an earlier post on 22 Nov 2010 08:12:53 GMT
Bruce says:
"However, sometimes people can use obscure words just to appear clever (Stephen Fry anyone?)."

But he is clever! It's not about "appear"....ance!! ;-)

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 01:06:10 GMT
Glenn Cook says:
Read the posts and want to add I believe I'm the victim of 'grudge voting'.
I write my reviews after reading the book or listening to the CD and give a fair rewiew. etc.
One day I had no negative reviews the next day I found that each and every one of my reviews had gained a single negative vote for each one.
Now in a couple of my reviews I had written a track listing for a couple of CDs for sale on Amazon that did not have the actual actual tracks listed so I'd assume that even the most jaded reader would find useful? But no the dreaded 'unhelpful vote' had been made.
Am I being paranoid or are there people who just love to give a negative vote for the spite of it?
At that time I'd written about 30.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 14:08:02 GMT
The Truth says:
I don't think you're being paranoid, there are people in the world who thrive on that sort of behaviour (both on and off Amazon) - I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's nothing you can do other than point it out to Amazon, but in the end is it really worth it?

I'd just take it as a sign you're doing a good job and someone is either jealous of your excellent reviewing abilities or maybe even feels threatened by them in some way, as they're insecure in themselves.

The same thing happened to me once - but in the end, as I said earlier - it has little to no impact overall so I wouldn't worry.

Some people on this forum have talked of getting, quite literally, thousands of negative votes - and that's another matter. Then I would perhaps do something about it, but it sounds to me like its just one guy (nut) in your case - he only gets 1 voter per review, so that's the end of his little campaign now. And I'm sure your reviews will gather many more positive votes so it's been a waste of his efforts.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 14:47:49 GMT
OEJ says:
I would echo the previous post, would just like to add something else if only semi-relative. I'm pretty sure that a lot of negative (unhelpful) votes are based on the title of the review and nothing else; in other words people don't like the message and vote unhelpful despite not reading the review at all, or just glancing at it. The reason I'm sure is that I've deleted reviews in the past and re-posted them with a different title (left the review itself unchanged) and received a different result. Sometimes worse to be honest, but usually better. Often the best thing to do to avoid attracting unwarranted neg votes is to use the product name as the title. It's bland and uninteresting but less likely to provoke someone to press that neg button for the wrong reason.

By the way, reviewing Black Ops, not to mention several other popular video games, is 'rank suicide' by and large. The people who mass-neg-vote every other review aren't smart enough even to be called trolls; they're just mindless idiots.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 15:19:35 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Dec 2010 15:21:30 GMT
The Truth says:
1 eyed J:

I never thought it was as bad as people just reading titles and neg voting, but it certainly could be -that's an interesting theory.

I do agree that people neg vote, just because they don't agree with a view point. I get this all the time, particularly with Blu-rays and DVDs which seem to evoke a strong emotional response from people.

Even if I hate a film I try and put as many positive points in to pacify fans, but even this doesn't work, so I gave up doing anything about it in the end.

Examples that spring to mind are 'UP' and 'The Hangover' - films I thought were rubbish, totally overated, and got 2 and 1 star from me. However - just like Mr. Glenn Cook did, I still tried to be helpful in my review and mentioned things like the fact you got Blu Ray, DVD and digital copies... but I still got loads of negative votes.

I will certainly try just putting a neutral title in place in the future and see if that helps - but in the end, I - like you - just deleted and reposted my reviews when the negative votes got out of hand. Is that cheating, playing the system or just dealing with morons - I can't decide. But I sure agree, people just think 'But I love that films, it's great! It's not rubbish' and just give it a negative vote because it puts forward a different opinion to theirs, regardless of whether or not the review is helpful.

Interesting idea - I'll def try the title trick.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 15:50:09 GMT
OEJ says:
Always a relief to see an 'over-rated' opinion of The Hangover. I had sky-high expectations of that film, and it was just.........OK, that's all. Chuckled in places, forgot what I chuckled at within a few days. But I received countless neg votes for saying that it was 'mildly amusing in places'. So I deleted and reposted. Reposting is not cheating or doing anything underhand at all, and anyone suggesting otherwise (which they do) is pathetic. We all have the right to post a review, to edit a review and to delete a review.

I prefer to stick to fiction book reviews, there are fewer toolbags out there negging for the sake of it. My level of reviewing is dramatically down on 2009 though - by at least 60% at a guess - and it's because the majority feedback on here (Amazon as a whole) is personally insulting. I can do better things with my time.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 16:05:31 GMT
M. Dowden says:
When amazon brought in the new system I suddenly lost loads of unhelpful votes, and virtually all of these were for products I had reviewed in the Vine Program. Some of these I understand because people have got books because the author is popular and then find they don't like them. Just because someone else is a fan of those books though it shouldn't mean that they get loads of negative votes. I had this with Roberto Bolano's books, whilst the ones that I had reviewed before did ok with helpful votes, the two that I got through the Vine for free were trashed voting wise. I have looked at other things I reviewed and in some cases have seen me being at the top of the reviewers with only 2 votes whilst there are 20 odd plus reviews, and the same with others. There seems to be only a few of us on that program who give helpful votes to each other because we take the time to read the reviews that have already been posted.

I like reading the reviews, and everyone may give something a 5 star rating, and then one person gives something a 1 star rating, but when those people put why they didn't like it instead of saying it was rubbish, then I give them a helpful vote. Also you see from some people on reviews and if they are also posters in the forums, that they have their own heads stuck up their a*rses, thinking that they know everything and are always right.......and I bet we all know people like that in real life, I certainly do.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 16:12:46 GMT
L. Hennessy says:
I'd say that the 'majority feedback' is positive, OEJ - count the votes on your reviews and see for yourself!

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 16:43:56 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 16:49:43 GMT
I don't recall anyone suggesting reposting was cheating, actually.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 17:02:05 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Dec 2010 17:05:51 GMT
OEJ says:
Liam, I wasn't referring to the votes, I was referring to what people actually say in the comments section, and some of it (possibly more than half if you want to split hairs) is quite simply personally abusive. To post a review of something and then to have various personal insults thrown at me is reason enough to have less enthusiasm for posting more reviews in the future. I've deleted countless reviews simply to remove the abuse in the comments section, and no other reason.

I post reviews to help people make up their minds about buying that product or not. Well DUH, that's why everyone else does it too, I know, but Liam what you do know is that over the years I've been one of the most negged and abused reviewers on Amazon UK and I can't lay claim to having the thickest skin in the world. After a while, and that time has long since past, it becomes tiresome, a chore, and most of the pleasure that is supposed to be derived from this hobby ceases to exist or matter.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 17:20:51 GMT
M. Dowden says:
I have heard at least one author complain about comments she had received on the internet. Not necessarily over their book as such, only over there not being any sex in it, but mainly more personal and hurtful things that were written, and no it wasn't one of those on the Daily Mail story. I will spare any blushes and won't name her, and her books get on the main quite glowing reviews from the public as well as professional reviewers. The point she was trying to make was that the internet gives a cetain amount of anonyminity to people, and there are a lot of weirdos out there.

If you look at some of the comments people write to reviews some of them are quite nasty, as One-Eyed Jack points out. I know that on a couple of times people thought I have been rude to them in the forums, which didn't seem like that at the time I was writing them, and in one case it was because I had left a word out. We all make mistakes like that, indeed I apparently upset a woman in real life when I said you, she thought I was referring to her personally, whereas I meant it plurally about the company she worked for. But some people just seem to go out of their way to cause upset, knowingly.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 17:25:10 GMT
Damaskcat says:
I agree with you M Dowden - some people do go out of their way to cause upset. I don't mind anyone disagreeing with my views but I object to the personal abuse along the lines of you must be a ------ (fill in the blank) for holding those views.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 19:04:36 GMT
The Truth says:
Mark Wallace:

''I don't recall anyone suggesting reposting was cheating, actually.''

No, if anyone did, I did - but I didn't... I was just posing the question.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 19:13:18 GMT
OEJ says:
Elsewhere (i.e. not in this thread) the topic of deleting and reposting has been referred to in some sort of derogatory way, can't remember what was said by who but the message was fairly clear: that there's something about it that meets with the disapproval of .....well, some at least.

But so what? Deleting and reposting is really no different to posting a review in the first place. People will moan about anything! And I should know. I'm a moaner myself....

Not as bad as Lisa mind you. Her with that smile-that-isn't.

Posted on 8 Dec 2010 20:19:33 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 21:45:11 GMT
The Truth says:
I just think the joke went over his head... funny review though.

In reply to an earlier post on 8 Dec 2010 22:36:34 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Dec 2010 22:39:59 GMT
L. Hennessy says:
Yes, you have had a tough time of it, 1ij; I certainly wasn't trying to make light of that - I think it would have had the same effect on most people.

The huge amount of positive votes you've accumulated counts for more than perhaps you realise, though - if more people had accompanied their pos votes with a comment, maybe you wouldn't feel so jaded.

Alternatively, there may have come a point where your output would have slowed regardless of the harrassment.

Personally I've run out of things to review, I think... ;)
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