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Initial post: 9 Mar 2010 22:03:18 GMT
RachelWalker says:
what's all this classic/new reviewer stuff?

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:13:02 GMT
OEJ says:
We (as in the UK) have adopted the US system with two very different ranking systems. As far as I know in these first few minutes, all the campaign votes have been removed (good and bad) leaving only the 'genuine' votes behind under the new system. How they work that out is anyone's guess.

Strange times, eh? But within a few days we'll all be used to it. You and I were neighbours an hour ago - now we live in different towns!

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:19:20 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Mar 2010 11:38:50 GMT
Simon Clarke says:
How can one tell if it is campaign vote.? What if you have high regard for a reviewer -such as Rachel Walker-often
read her reviews and find them helpful--and tick the box accordingly-These are now deemed to be 'campaigning'and therefore
deleted!

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:26:26 GMT
Mr. P. Datta says:
I am not a particular fan of the new review system. It is quite confusing. I guess it will take us all time for getting grips with the system.

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:32:25 GMT
J. Lesley says:
Welcome to the strange world of Amazon. My principal reviewing is done on AmazonUS and this system was put into operation there in October of 2008. There we were told that our vote totals were changed to reflect "fan" votes. Those are "out", strangers evidently are "in", even though I never knew who any of my "fans" were. (And I only ever had 20 anyway.) There have still not been any definitive explanations as to how you know who a fan is. I notice you guys don't have that designation in your list of reviewers. Doesn't matter, the votes deemed received from fans have gone with the wind!

Drat! Wonder why they found it necessary to do this? I had found this side of the pond to be a much nicer, quieter place, not needing policing. But you did get the nifty little ability to receive emails when someone leaves a comment on your review. I like that change. Evidently they have been experimenting on us so have now moved the system over here. At least y'all don't have to go through all the growing pains!
Judy

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:37:38 GMT
K. O'Leary says:
Does anybody know how this is to be policed? Does it mean that if anybody votes for two of your reviews their votes are deleted?

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:51:10 GMT
Seems far too many people - Amazon included - cannot tell the difference between "Was this review helpful" and "Do you agree"? I get plenty of 'unhelpful' votes because I don't kiss bottom and uncritically praise shoddy product.

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 22:51:40 GMT
OEJ says:
K. O'Leary - that's a good question. I doubt that the votes would be deleted, but I'm guessing that you can only vote for one other reviewer once - or should I say, if you give a positive vote for (say) 10 different reviews by the same reviewer, only one vote will count. I'm basing this guess on the eBay feedback system, which works in a similar way. It would be helpful if someone from up high in Amazon would come forward and explain it in a language that we all understand.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2010 22:52:08 GMT
J. Lesley says:
K. O'Leary---in the U. S. we still haven't been given that information. But then, there we have "fans". Supposedly a person is designated a "fan" if they vote for you a specific number of times (let's say 10 but it has never been verified by Amazon). On vote #11 they become a fan and all of their previous votes would disappear from my reviews. It played merry heck with my record keeping until all the changes had been made. Thankfully, everything has settled down for us now and the vote totals very rarely change because of corrections.

There is a good side to this. Yes, you lose fan votes, but you also lose deliberate targeting for negative votes! That I liked.
Judy

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 23:20:00 GMT
I like this new system. I have a profile on the US site as well and so am used to it.

I'm delighted with my jump up into the top 1000 reviewers at Amazon UK

As far as I know no one has yet worked out Amazon's exact algorithm for doing the rankings.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Mar 2010 23:37:04 GMT
J. Lesley says:
Dr. Nicholas---I'm so new at reviewing on this site that it really didn't make much difference for me. I lost about 20 votes total.

Just wait until tomorrow morning when people turn on their computers. There will be fireworks all over the place. This is really quite amusing to me because it's as if the clock has been rolled back. Back in October 2008 we all went to sleep with one ranking and woke up with two. It took a long time for everything to settle down. Mainly because very few of our questions were ever answered directly.
Judy

Posted on 9 Mar 2010 23:56:07 GMT
New system has got to be good as there has been a fair amount of obvious 'campaign voting'. That's now going to disappear, hopefully. It would be nice if they'd explain their system, though. How many votes do you have to give to a reviewer before it becomes 'campaign voting'?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2010 00:51:53 GMT
DAVID BRYSON says:
This is a glaring weakness of this silly new system. Reviewers who have a distinctive way of thinking or of writing are likely to have a regular readership, just as reviewers in the regular press have. To remove such thinking people's expressions of support for other thinking people seems to imply a view that most voters on reviews are motivated by a concern for voter rank, a mentality which is, in any cases where it is true, the very pits of sheer infantility. Reviewing ought to be an intellectual business, not a glorification of the Lowest Common Denominator, which is what this new system could have been designed to achieve.

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 01:00:11 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2010 06:30:34 GMT
I think it's a competition as to who can show how intelligent and cultured they are?

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 08:55:41 GMT
Quiverbow says:
I've just woken up to see that I've lost 30 positive votes but also 80 negative ones. It means I jump up to #949 and my percentage of helpful votes has increased to 78% (from 65%). That's the difference removing the serial neggers makes. Why my positive votes has decreased, I don't know.

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 10:08:23 GMT
Danny says:
Yay! My review of a glowbear used to have a load of negative votes now it has only 8 positives.

Who would launch a negative campaign against glowbears?

With regards to sheer infantility, I think that can apply to anybody who really cares about their position in the Amazon ranking system. We write reviews. Get over it.

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 13:06:42 GMT
'With regards to sheer infantility, I think that can apply to anybody who really cares about their position in the Amazon ranking system. We write reviews. Get over it.'
That's true, Mark Twain, but as the ranking system is there every time you enter your profile page, it's difficult to be entirely indifferent to one's place on it.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2010 14:01:04 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Mar 2010 14:07:54 GMT
F. S. L'hoir says:
K. O'Leary: Excellent Question! And I believe that your supposition is correct.

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2010 14:04:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Mar 2010 14:07:35 GMT
F. S. L'hoir says:
David Bryson: Hear! Hear!

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 14:07:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 8 Apr 2010 12:52:27 BDT
NeuroSplicer says:
I think that the new system is a step in the right direction but it still far from perfect. As it happened with its introduction to the parent Amazon.com site about a year ago, there are bound to be hiccups. It does address the issue known as "Trolling" but it still rewards cheating.

Case in point: a Profile that was used to post a comment above (and boasts an ironic "The-NeuroSplicer-fan-club" nickname in his page) actually belongs to a (new) ...No.10 reviewer. In the past this person has let it slip in a comment of his that he sees nothing wrong in keeping a number of home Profiles and a number of company Profiles and use them as he sees fit - say, using them interchangeably to either attack a reviewer he envies or agree with ...himself. And when this came out he went berserk.

Over the past 16 months this person has been using throwaway Amazon Profiles and managed to pile over 14,500(!) negative votes onto my reviews. As a result, with the introduction of the new ranking system my approval rating skyrocketed from ...43% to 75%. So the improvement over the past system is evident. But there is also a lot of room for further improvement.

My classic ranking jumped form 75 to 409. Which means that the cleanup we had been promised and waited for over a year now, so far has met only with limited success. Not only did a great number of my positive votes get removed without reason, but the same did not occur for all of the bogus negative votes my reviews had received by this person.

Now, this person did setup a great number of use&discard Amazon profiles in order to spitefully attack my reviews and could not resist the obvious temptation: to pad his own feathers. Hence the top-10 rank.

I guess the new system is competent in handling most negative campaigns yet it seems to buckle under more frenzied ones. And it still rewards cheating.

My email address is available through my Profile and would be happy to answer any questions.

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 15:10:29 GMT
Is there some special forum where things like this are discussed? I am sure I have been subject to some concerted negative voting / trolling in the past.

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 15:15:04 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Mar 2010 15:19:07 GMT
NeuroSplicer says:
I am afraid that naming actual names in this (and similar) threads will only get your comment deleted.

Apparently "Trolls" too carry credit cards and they are as important as yours ;-)

Posted on 10 Mar 2010 15:34:58 GMT
I certainly wouldn't name names... I wouldn't even know how to find them. A large number of my reviews used to have "1 of 6" or "0 of 1" next to them, I wonder if this has changed?

In reply to an earlier post on 10 Mar 2010 16:06:03 GMT
Last edited by the author on 10 Mar 2010 16:07:49 GMT
F. S. L'hoir says:
Mark Wallace: And the nice thing in the past was that Amazon.co.uk didn't formerly post the negative votes on one's profile page. Now our "shortcomings" have been thrust into our faces, as it were. Oh well, I suppose that these are mere flyspecks on our respective panoramas of life and that the world will still continue wobbling on its axis.
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