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In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 10:58:44 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jan 2014 11:01:06 GMT
Quiverbow says:
Vine Voice is added to those reviewers who are part of the Vine scheme. Vine being those select bunch who are given things by the publisher/manufacturer in return for a review. I suppose it's there to let others know who is part of Vine.

By the way, it is possible to vote on your own reviews (unless Amazon has recently managed to stop it) but Amazon do occasionally run their software to remove suspect votes.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 11:33:59 GMT
What I meant to say was that some people invited themselves onto the Vine programme, by simply turning up at the web address provided here by somebody, it might have been Peter Durward Harris.

The part about voting was a slip of the pen or typo if you like. Sorry.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 11:42:32 GMT
MrsPaul says:
Are we on the same Amazon? I have always seen this under my reviews (copy/paste from one of my reviews, all of them have this at the bottom):

"Why no voting buttons? We don't let customers vote on their own reviews, so the voting buttons appear only when you look at reviews submitted by others."

Posted on 14 Jan 2014 11:55:17 GMT
It is possible to create multiple accounts on Amazon and use those to vote on reviews.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:00:46 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Sorry it was accidental. Thought I was just stopping emails. Obviously shouldn't be let near a computer without adult supervision.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:01:36 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Sorry pressed the wrong button.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:05:29 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
No one! However it was a mistake on my part. Im still learning the etiquette around stuff. Will make damn sure in future to try and find alternatives. As less a forum, more like being thrown to the lions.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:07:48 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
I have not negatived anyone unless inadvertently.

Posted on 14 Jan 2014 12:16:00 GMT
MrsPaul says:
Kerrypickle, thank-you for coming back! I read through your reviews and I have to ask - do you still like the furniture piece? I thought your review of that was great, and if I'd been looking to buy it the review you posted would have been a great help! I probably wouldn't have bought it because of what you wrote re delivery (posted as 2-person but only one turned up, that really would have put me off!) so that was brilliant and exactly what I look for when reading the reviews of something I'm looking for.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:18:31 GMT
MrsPaul says:
Oh yeah, I knew that (sock puppet accounts, @Kenneth Joseph). Sad, though, that people do things like that - really, what's the gain besides maybe a few seconds of pleasure that someone has 'trounced' someone else on the InterWebs. Ick.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:32:01 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jan 2014 12:32:25 GMT
Quiverbow says:
Yes, we are on the same Amazon and unless they have recently put a block on it, it was possible to vote on your own reviews using the same account and name. However, sometimes these 'self votes' were removed by Amazon's software. But not always.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 12:32:50 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Hi MrsPaul. Yes I would buy it again and yes it still looks good in my front room. Thank you for your reply.

Posted on 14 Jan 2014 12:34:55 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Hi again MrsPaul. Whats a sock puppet account?

Posted on 14 Jan 2014 12:40:08 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Apologies for killing discussion. Was just trying to stop emails. Obviously should not be let near a computer without adult supervision.
As a Newbie I have no idea of the jargon or etiquette involved in Forum usage.
For the record, I have not actively Negatived anyone.
This has been interesting, more like being thrown to the lions than a forum.

Posted on 14 Jan 2014 13:48:43 GMT
MrsPaul says:
@Kerrypickle, some forums are a little less 'aggressive' than others and make things a little easier on newbies. To be honest, although most forums do post a permanent notice (called a sticky) of acceptable etiquette not everyone follows those 'suggestions' so it can be rather like being thrown into a snake pit (my fav description of some current events forums I post on) even with excellent live moderators keeping a close eye on threads.

To learn Amazon's suggestions and more about the discussion forum, scroll up to the top of the page on your screen and look for your account navigation buttons (icons), on my screen the link to Amazon info on the forums shows up just below my basket and wish list icons. It's an interesting read, for example you'll see that the only moderation on the discussion forum is through clicking the 'Report abuse' button under each post.

As for sock puppets, there can be variations on this but basically a sock puppet is an alter-ego account - the person logs off in one account and goes to (or creates a new one) his/her sock puppet account to post as a completely different poster, to up/down vote comments, etc.

Most sock puppet accounts are used to 'troll' (a poster who deliberately stirs up the other posters by posting outrageous posts just to inflame the other posters) but some are used by forum Admin to mask their presence in an effort to keep a lower profile whilst online. It helps them see what people get up to when their official on-screen persona isn't apparent.

I don't think you 'killed the thread' (forum-speak for killing the discussion) at all, and if you are willing, I'd seriously like to know why you object to gratis items in return for a what's hoped to be an honest review of the product. As I wrote earlier in the thread, you may have a really good point and I'd like to hear it. I have a habit of looking at everything through rose-coloured glasses and it helps tone me down, lol, to hear a more reasoned opinion:)

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 14:21:33 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Yes the first forum I went to lulled me into false sense of security!
Thank you for your response ,had kind of thought that was the case with sock puppets.
I don't have a real issue about freebies, I was just surprised by how many there seemed to be. And as I said in an earlier post, in my naivety thought the Amazon reviews on products had been bought via Amazon.
From the ones I have read they are fair judgements of the products, but that doesn't mean that the practice coulndnt be open to abuse by the unscrupulous.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 14:57:31 GMT
MrsPaul says:
Too true that abuse of the system would be easy - at first. I think most of the retailers on the MarketPlace are more interested in an honest review and probably keep an eye on the overly positive reviews to be sure the person is genuine (and lucky to not be running into rubbish products, lol!). I have wondered about one or two but a quick scan of their reviews usually helps suss out the less than credible.

Usually it's a dead giveaway if the review isn't very detailed - all those 'Oh this is fab, so glad I bought it, you have to have this at your house' end of review, well those are useless as reviews I think. I want to know what came in the box, how hard it was to assemble, how well it performs and if it dies three months later I want an update, etc, and that's info only an honest reviewer can write (and they do:)

Thank-you for explaining why you feel/felt it was a little dodgy. You do have a good point, I knew you probably did!

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 15:12:13 GMT
Quiverbow says:
It is open to abuse and it tends to happen with books by new authors. If you click on the name of the reviewer, you'll see that their fawning five star review is their only review. Yes, we all have to have a 'first review' but if you look at other names who have also given gushing, five star praise for the same book, you'll find that it just happens to be their sole review. Not always of course, but it is in many instances.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 15:30:06 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
Really, this one isn't that bad at all. There is the occasional troll, but most of us are pretty harmless. Even Kenneth. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Jan 2014 17:32:52 GMT
I didn't invite myself into Vine. Amazon invited me in. I told them I wasn't interested, but they didn't cancel their offer. After deciding I wanted to follow the Vine forum, I got the link from somebody and found I could get in. I don't use Vine or the forum much, and I use this forum even less, but I nevertheless found out about your post.

I don't expect to post here again ever, despite all the crap that is spouted, because I have to write a Kindle book. It may not be completed this year, but I will quit all Amazon reviewing forums long before I'm ready to publish.

Posted on 14 Jan 2014 19:20:05 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Jan 2014 19:46:42 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Thank you all for your feedback. I may be short and wrinkled but I am not a Troll. Is it common/accepted practice to respond with the adds to discussion to all posts? Just checking.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2014 09:32:33 GMT
No, I meant that you posted the link and some other people went along to it and found they were in Vine, although they had never received an invitation.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2014 10:53:24 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
That's what happened to me, but I suspect that what actually happened was that I got the invitation but deleted it as Bacon without reading it.

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2014 18:16:10 GMT
MrsPaul says:
Re using the '...adds to discussion yes or no' feature, some use it (I do), some don't, and some like to just be contrary and vote no on every post even if clearly the post does add to the discussion. (more troll acts, sigh).

Lol, I'm shortish and a bit wrinkly now myself but like you, Kerrypickle, am certainly no troll:) - I'm just yer average late middle-aged homemaker according to my husband, lol!

In reply to an earlier post on 15 Jan 2014 23:13:34 GMT
Kerrypickle says:
Thanks again MrsPaul. Ditto. Not sure Im going to make a habit of discussion forums, as it seems like they could become addictive!
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