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In reply to an earlier post on 21 May 2013 20:42:41 BDT
Paul Price says:
My goodness such honour and valour! Probably belongs in another time maybe the 13th century? Fancy a joust? I agree with you regarding fanboys.

In reply to an earlier post on 21 May 2013 21:17:23 BDT
J. Forbes says:
Groveller, you might not have noticed this, but these Top Reviewer threads are pretty much unique on Amazon in dishing out negs in such quantity to people's posts. That is why I believe the perpetrators to be "Top Reviewers". Nobody else would have any interest in doing this.

When I described you and your kind as the coven, I was spot on. Thoroughly nasty pieces of work.

That said, some Top Reviewers are fine. I don't want to tar all with the same brush.

Now run along and dish out some negs.

Posted on 21 May 2013 21:59:04 BDT
Paul Price says:
Joust me! Joust me! Lighten up.

In reply to an earlier post on 22 May 2013 21:05:37 BDT
J. Forbes says:
Yes, Baz, you are being negged by certain "Top Reviewers" for not toeing the line.

You argue with Groveller (aka The Leveller) and his little mates at your peril.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 11:41:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 May 2013 14:57:30 BDT
This is the crucial reason for all the negs :

"Just a quick reminder in case you missed it, Mr baz has clearly stated on the Nikon forums that he would never buy a d3200 as it lacks features he requires. So why is he stating here that he has owned one and since sold it? Does he sound like someone that would buy a camera without the features he seems to know so much about? "

Here ya go Old Nikonian (Link to Nikon cafe thread : http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=344477&page=2)

Clearly has never owned a D3200. He's been found out, not only here but on the Nikon forums. This review should be deleted as the reviewer has not owned or used the camera.

Posted on 23 May 2013 13:50:15 BDT
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Posted on 23 May 2013 14:56:40 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 May 2013 08:53:41 BDT
Anybody can comment on anything here. You can't stop anybody.

But I made no comment anyway, simply pointing out things posted by other people in comments. All of my post above was quoting from the comments on your review.

Posted on 23 May 2013 22:44:47 BDT
Paul Price says:
LOL. My only response. Genuinely laughing out loud nonetheless

In reply to an earlier post on 24 May 2013 08:55:37 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 May 2013 09:38:19 BDT
"Another type that needs removing is the review by someone who hasn't even purchased the bloody product!"

I see you have already voiced your own opinion on this matter.

Posted on 28 May 2013 15:01:40 BDT
The thing about reviews is that they are personal opinion, I have had comments for daring to say that World of Warcraft was dull and repetitive after a while, No really it is LOL
But there are those, here as elsewhere, that seem to be looking for a chance to nit pick rather than actually commenting on your review and of course those who will take any review that diagrees with theirs as a personal attack rather than a difference of opinion. But I do give a lot of 5 star reviews because unlike an exam paper looking for a distinction a 5 star review to me means that the product does what it claims to and does it well, it doesn't have to be earth shattering but it doe have to provide the service etc that you bought it for. BTW I have reviewed things that I haven't bought, but have used sufficiently and small and niggly difference but an important one. I do remember having a pop at several people who 'Reviewed' Richard Hammonds biography before it was released because they thought he basically shouldn't write one after nearly dying in that car crash while making Top Gear.
But I do think that Amazon should close the comments section until the game/book/DVD is actiually on sale.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 15:46:53 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 May 2013 15:49:12 BDT
Quiverbow says:
Unless it was received through Vine, you can't review a book until it's published. There is no 'Create your own review' option. Whether this used to be, I don't know but there isn't now.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 16:07:20 BDT
The main problem is on DVDs/Blu rays where the reviews are numerous, well before the release of the item itself and based on prejudice mostly.

Quite often you will get hundreds of 1 star reviews bemoaning the item as a rip-off because we don't get the same package as the US and a later release date, etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 28 May 2013 16:22:29 BDT
Quiverbow says:
Yes, the problem also occurs with CDs. There may be a box set release of a CD with bonus/unreleased tracks but it seems that Amazon will link the new relase to the old one. They also appear to link DVDs with VHS.

Posted on 30 May 2013 10:14:44 BDT
Syriat says:
The problem with re-release CD's is quite acute. Most re-releases are after a long period of time (usually a minimum of ten years). Therefore, there will be a large number of established reviews. Someone reviews the new package then it is unlikely to get noticed as its at the bottom of the pile and basically the reviews are for the wrong product. I think Amazon should list them separately all the time. I have reviewed a number of remastered and repackaged CD's and its not consistent though. For one product its just the new reviews and for another I have two reviews (one as A Customer) for both versions...I even quote my original review in my new one.

Posted on 30 May 2013 11:49:37 BDT
I Apologise for lumping it all together, DVD's, CD's and Computer Games all seem to suffer from pre-release negative reviews and are on occaision very confusing, there is one page on here offering an inspector Morse box set that isn't very clear and features a load of reviews for Kavanaugh QC. The book thing was really a load of reviews saying that Hammond was stupid and shouldn't profit from nearly killing himself, he shouldn't have been driving the car, he wasn't qualified etc Nothing actually reviewing the book at all. To a degree I like the new 'purchased from Amazon' tag as at least you know that the reviewer has bought the item, makes things a little easier.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 May 2013 13:05:59 BDT
Late Reader says:
All you need is to ask a friend, relative, colleague with an Amazon account to sign in and vote positive for your review and hey presto.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 May 2013 15:27:14 BDT
People have mentioned here before though, that it is only possible to vote for 3 or 4 items for one person. After that it stops working as far as I was aware. I don't claim to understand this but I think possibly Peter Durward Harris mentioned it.

In reply to an earlier post on 30 May 2013 15:59:01 BDT
Quiverbow says:
That is the considered school of thought. I'm sure there is a limit in place to stop just that but unfortunately, it also stops the genuine voters who might like someone's reviews on a series of items.

Posted on 31 May 2013 15:06:37 BDT
Bob says:
The other problem is that Amazon have the habit of copying and posting reviews to the wrong item. I reviewed a book and it was also posted to a DVD of a similar name by Amazon.

Posted on 15 Jun 2013 18:37:33 BDT
I am careful when I read reviews. If the item has only one or two reviews I check whether the reviewer(s) has written only that one or if they are credible individuals. I am very skeptical when someone all of a sudden feels "compelled" to write a (and the only one) raving review about an item or to trash it (and it is a one off or an ongoing habit). I remember a reviewer who gave only 1 star to all the items that s/he reviewed including a one star for a book that - by his/her own admission - s/he had not even read because it was not available in kindle version!

I am also wary of those who get friends and family to give reviews (plenty of times I have received invites from people to write positive reviews on their book just because they know me or we met once at a networking event). Another habit that I am not keen on is when the what-so-called "guru" gets people that pay for his/her services (usually self proclaimed experts on how to become a successful whatever) to write raving reviews about them (easy to spot these people as they are the same individuals that provide glowing testimonials on the "guru" website.

I once gave a one star review to an individual who was a professional "scammer" - he wrote a trash book to support his expertise in "marketing" and I was not convinced. I run a quick Google search and found out that he had been convicted in his home country for fraud. He threatened me and got his "buddies" to try to discredit my reviews. Absurd! I have recently reviewed a cookbook by a well known celebrity (I gave it a 3 stars) and I immediately got negative votes for my review (I assume it was the opinion of the celebrity's fans?!)

I read reviews with a pinch of salt - I am aware that some of those may be a fake. I do change my reviews if the products turns out to be faulty or the performance deteriorates.

Posted on 1 Sep 2013 15:32:44 BDT
BlackBrigand says:
Forty odd years ago I did have a contract to review yachting kit for which I received competition sponsorship but as far as I can tell nobody on Amazon personally benefits except the customer who may be guided by the opinions of others who have bought the product which is the only reason that I submit reviews.

I am assuming that the vast majority of reviewers on Amazon UK are amatuers not professional product critics so why all the fuss. I have been reviewing each of the books etc. that I have read as I received promts from Amazon and only after picking up on this correspondance noticed that there seems to be some competition to be top of a list that I never even knew existed, I have never been back to check if anybody has read or commented on my reviews.

As there is no financial incentive why all the hot air, surely it is the product that matters not whether or not others like your opinion.

As a personal gripe; I do hate reviewers who use the product review to mark down the provider's service and not actually comment on the book etc. this should be done elsewhere in the feedback section.

Posted on 4 Oct 2013 15:53:12 BDT
Ghostgrey51 says:
I like doing reviews for a very simplistic and possibly naïve reason. It's fun and if it's useful to folk well that's ok by me. Having said that some reactions can make you wonder. I once wrote a poor review of one of those items with a fanatical fan-base, not only did that get a flurry of 'not helpfuls' but suddenly other reviews I had recently written on other subjects had the same treatment....then there's the bemusing occasional phenomenon of every Vine review getting a 'not helpful' vote on the same item within a short space of time....Hi-ho.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Oct 2013 08:44:25 BDT
Mr Baz says:
You are right it's not popular to write critical reviews, but I think you have to give an honest view of things. A critical review can still be useful if you outine the reasons why you didn't like the product. The worst type of reviews are "love/hate" ones with nothing to back them up. You will get negative votes on other reviews if an angry fan is upset.

Posted on 11 Oct 2013 09:26:56 BDT
Paul Price says:
First thing I do is check out the critical reviews.

In reply to an earlier post on 11 Oct 2013 18:04:44 BDT
I often find the most critical reviews are a complete waste of time and say things like : "this was never delivered and Amazon need to sort it out" or start with " I never bought this, but...."

I prefer reviews that give a comprehensive run-down of all the product features and try to be as objective as possible about these. These are more often 4 or 5 star reviews. Whereas one star reviews most often seem to be written by the incompetent and illiterate.
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