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Initial post: 3 May 2010 19:27:39 BDT
I know for sure that " helpful " votes on some of my reports are not being recorded . Also on changing the system I lost hundreds of votes and have still to receive an acceptable explanation . In some cases the voters " comments " are still shown , but the vote has been deleted . If someone takes time to leave a comment it can not be right to cancel their vote . Has anyone a similar experience .

In reply to an earlier post on 3 May 2010 21:23:36 BDT
JJG says:
Without trying to sound accusing, how did you know they left a vote on your review? I guess you know them?

I lost a number of positive votes, but I lost far more negatives, I can only presume that those positives were from people that voted on a number of my reviews (and are therefore voided as fans), or are relations/friends of mine who are established as having a connection to me through buying off my wishlist.

Posted on 3 May 2010 21:52:40 BDT
M. Dowden says:
I lost quite a few positive votes, but also a whole lot of negative votes. I presume that I lost positive votes because some people may have seemed to be fans, but that is probably because they like the same genres and would read the same books.

In reply to an earlier post on 3 May 2010 22:29:02 BDT
Yes : I did not understand why some reports which prior to the change attracted votes had no recent " hits " so I asked a friend to cast a vote on one such to test my suspicion and it did not register .

Posted on 4 May 2010 07:51:37 BDT
Danny says:
Here is your explanation: Amazon changed the system. Now, if you vote for more than 3 or so of a reviewer's reviews, you are classed as a fan voter. Your votes will no longer register for that reviewer. Similarly you can no longer leave more than 3 or so negative votes for a reviewer, no matter how atrocious you found their reviews. Its to make the votes as natural as possible. While it does exclude friend votes, it also cuts down on the amount of negative campaigning votes you might get, especially if you review Vine products!

Now, whether you find that acceptable or not, is entirely up to you. But that is the explanation.

In reply to an earlier post on 4 May 2010 08:51:06 BDT
Thanks . At last an explanation that I can understand and accept although it seems a little unfair when those with similar interests and likes can not continue to express their genuine opinions .

Posted on 4 May 2010 11:48:20 BDT
OEJ says:
On D-Day minus one, I had 6118 helpful review votes.

The next day, I had lost about 4000 of them.

Which was a bit of a shock to the system, I must admit. But I soon learned that two-thirds of my helpfuls were coming from a handful of dedicated 'fans', whose identity, to this day, I do not know.

But it works both ways, of course. I also had a small group of anti-fans, whose equally dedicated efforts to bring me down over the past couple of years were wiped out in the blink of an eye. Almost too fast, in fact, for it to be satisfying! About 2000 negs deleted, just like that.

Today things are very different. Often a week goes by without a single unhelpful vote, and in a way that is the most satisfying thing of all, because it demonstrates that there was never any reason to doubt my credibility as a reviewer, as the troll-neggers tried so hard to make me feel. All their efforts were wasted. And believe me, they tried very, very hard.

Now, every single helpful vote feels ten times more 'real' than any helpful vote used to. Smaller in quantity, maybe, but so much richer in quality.

Posted on 4 May 2010 12:09:30 BDT
Ethereal says:
I would never have realised there was so much to it.
But I have a question. Are helpful votes given because your review helped someone decide whether or not to buy the product, say a book, or after they've read it and they agree with your evaluation? After all, they may have bought a book based on your review, then after reading it themselves totally disagree and wished they hadn't.

Posted on 4 May 2010 12:15:41 BDT
M. Dowden says:
Thanks, Mark for explaining how the system works. Some of the reviews I am giving helpful votes for are not being counted then, although I am not what you would call a fan of the persons, as I don't even know who they are but I have noticed a few names cropping up with reviews that are the same way as I feel about the item being discussed. I am a Vine member and was getting loads of negative votes for my reviews even though people were later posting more or less the same as I had put and getting helpful votes, so I knew that something was going on, thankfully the new system has helped to bring this down a bit.

Posted on 4 May 2010 13:27:28 BDT
Danny says:
Mrs J Braysher, helpful votes are given because people clicked the helpful vote button. Why they clicked that button is anybody's guess. Personally I find a review helpful either if it relates somebody's actual experience (good or bad) with the product in hand, or if it contains useful information not found in the product description.

Actually, thats not strictly true. If a person writes a scathing review of a toaster, saying it made a lousy frisbee when he tried lobbing it in the garden, then by my definition above, the review is actually helpful as it relates the person's experience. However, in this instance when it is apparant that the person bought the wrong product, then the fact that they are an idiot outweighs the accuracy of their review, so a negative vote would indeed be justified, along with a pithy, toast-related comment.

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Posted on 1 Jun 2010 08:20:13 BDT
Damaskcat says:
Mr P - if you've read this and other threads you will have found out that fan votes - whether positive or negative - do not count after a certain number. So NO ONE can keep voting for or against a reviewer. You can't vote on your own reviews.

Stop trying to stir up trouble

In reply to an earlier post on 1 Jun 2010 10:45:01 BDT
Julia Flyte says:
Damaskcat, if you have a look at the comments on Mr P's reviews, I think you'll find that his comment was tongue in cheek rather than trying to stir up trouble.

Posted on 1 Jun 2010 10:50:22 BDT
Damaskcat says:
Then maybe he should have indicated that - it's virtually impossible to tell whether someone is serious about the comments they make otherwise.

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Posted on 1 Jun 2010 15:08:03 BDT
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Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:08:30 BDT
Damaskcat says:
No I'm not American. Beacuse I write what I mean I usually assume other people do too - unless they put some soort of emoticon at the end of their post.

Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:13:12 BDT
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Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:33:12 BDT
Damaskcat says:
I am NOT American

Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:41:25 BDT
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Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:43:58 BDT
Danny says:
Mr Pizzle, you make Norma Jean's posts seem funny. This is not a compliment.

Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:50:17 BDT
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Posted on 1 Jun 2010 17:56:39 BDT
Danny says:
Are you Neurosplicer's intelligent lost brother?

Speaking of Lost, wasn't that ending rubbish.

Posted on 2 Jun 2010 07:25:25 BDT
Damaskcat says:
Can't see why he's got it into his head I'm American but I suppose his delusions keep him going. For the last time I was born in England, live in England and have a British passport - if you don't believe me that's not my problem
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