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Reviewer Placings - Have They Been CHANGED???


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Initial post: 4 Jan 2014 19:22:18 GMT
Mark Barry says:
What is happening to our reviewer placings?
I was 30 this am - and with the highest helpful votes I've ever had and the most reviews - this PM I'm 60!!

Has this happened to anyone else???

Mark Barry

In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2014 20:12:20 GMT
The Leveller says:
Hi Mark
Hope you're well and had a good Christmas/New Year.

I haven't moved personally. I would Email Amazon and query it. Not that they give as hit of course :-)

All the best

TL

Posted on 4 Jan 2014 20:24:43 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 4 Jan 2014 20:28:10 GMT
Quiverbow says:
But you're at 1,170, where it's easy to move up and down dozens of places in one go. When you get into the Top 100, movement up or down the ranking tends to be in low single digits.

Posted on 4 Jan 2014 20:38:29 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014 09:03:37 GMT
Angel Delta says:
Must have been a temporary glitch Mark, because you are back at #33.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014 09:17:47 GMT
All of Mark's reviews seem to instantly get one positive vote, is this a "glitch" as well?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014 09:35:54 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
So do mine. Well, not instantly, but generally within a day or two. It's not necessarily a glitch. Maybe just a fan.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014 10:15:24 GMT
It seems that many of those in the top reviewer ranks get one positive vote for all their reviews, so this is just normal then?

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014 10:24:25 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
I think so. I would hesitate to call "cause and effect" though. One vote on all my reviews is not sufficient to get me to the Top 10 nor will it be sufficient to keep me there (I think)*. Actually, many of my reviews also seem to pick up a second vote within a few days of being posted.

I believe that I also have at least one negative fan who is a little less persistent but almost as prolific, bless him.

* which is one good why self-voting is a waste of time.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014 10:35:14 GMT
The Leveller says:
I am a follower of certain reviewers including in the top 20 and I do vote on their latest reviews on a daily basis. I'm interested in similar products as they are and if they put the effort in to inform me, they get my vote! Put a little humour in and that's even better :-)

I even go back in their reviews and vote.

I'm not the only one no doubt.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014 10:47:14 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Jan 2014 10:47:57 GMT
" One vote on all my reviews is not sufficient to get me to the Top 10 nor will it be sufficient to keep me there.."

But it could be enough to keep each of those reviews at the top of the product page list, where all the other reviews have no votes, meaning you are more likely to pick up further votes?

Posted on 6 Jan 2014 10:53:12 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Jan 2014 11:02:28 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
At that level of voting, no. It's a complex issue, but I honestly elieve that one vote is neither here nor there in most cases. Giving a review one vote is not an efficient or effective way to seed LOTS of follow-up votes. TFor the most part, the only way to get lots of votes is to write a popular and helpful review (or create lots of sockpuppets and self-vote like mad).

EDIT: also bear in mind that fan votes don't count towards ranking after a while anyway, so they're doubly ineffective

Posted on 6 Jan 2014 11:05:12 GMT
I tend to agree with you and I think the view presented of a particular reviewer is misleading, in that when we click on a name in a forum like this, it brings up the 3 latest reviews and then we can scroll down the latest reviews, newest first. This encourages people to only look at the most recent reviews, which are always going to be "work in progress".

So for a reviewer who gets a lot of votes, then the most recent reviews will always be one or two for each; but this will of course change over time. A cursory glance then, makes it look suspicious, but if the view Amazon presented was the other way round or different : e.g. most voted, then it wouldn't look unusual and as you say for the top reviewers it is "normal" that the most recent reviews will all have one vote each. It's just a consequence of the sorting by most recent, that makes it look like self-voting.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014 11:13:55 GMT
Last edited by the author on 6 Jan 2014 11:17:50 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
It is not just my most recent reviews. Pretty much all of them have at least one vote (I know just how sus this looks).

But one thing that has been "demonstrated" about the ranking algorithm is that writing new reviews has a positive effect on ranking. So Amazon clearly (and probably rightly, IMO) place a premium on review currency. So your most recent reviews are more important than your old ones.

Edit: The lesson being, again, if you want to climb the rankings, write reviews.

Posted on 6 Jan 2014 11:20:04 GMT
I think it's probably important for Amazon that top reviewers keep reviewing and so they incentivise this. But for customers like myself, an older review that is comprehensive and well-written, can be more useful than a newer one. What I mean is that a considered review where somebody has taken their time, is often better than one that has been rushed out to keep that person's ranking high.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Jan 2014 13:28:38 GMT
Crookedmouth says:
"an older review ... can be more useful than a newer one"

That doesn't always work though. An old review on (say) a bit of electronics may go out of currency if defects in the product only come to light after prolonged use and/or if the manufacturer upgrades the spec (but Az link the new version of the product to the old product page)

But yes, if you look at a well-reviewed product, you'll find that the most comprehensive reviews are often old ones and the most recent reviews are "I liked this, and now I have to find another 17 words so that Amazon will let me post the review."

Posted on 2 Feb 2014 22:29:50 GMT
Timelord007 says:
My rating hasn't been updated for 3 day's.

In reply to an earlier post on 9 Feb 2014 15:40:12 GMT
I (should have known better) 'mixed it' with someone who left a quite scathing comment on one of my reviews. After making a bit of a nerd of himself, he left the building. Later that evening some of my reviews were hit with 'no's', and my reviewer rank went down 50 places overnight. Now, as each new review goes up, within 24hrs someone has hit the 'no' button. Hey Ho - lesson learned.

Posted on 19 Feb 2014 19:21:27 GMT
Timelord007 says:
I don't get how some reviewers dont review daily & haven't reviewed for a while yet don't move there placing as mine gone from 732-712 back up to 720 &I review 3-4 product's a day?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Feb 2014 22:18:21 GMT
Quiverbow says:
You might move up because others have moved down. You might move down because others have moved up.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Feb 2014 08:03:31 GMT
Last edited by the author on 20 Feb 2014 08:08:41 GMT
It also depends on votes. Negative votes will push you down and positive will push you up. So those people could be generating a lot of positive votes on older reviews which keep them in place, despite not writing new reviews.
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