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Initial post: 8 Apr 2009 14:52:57 BDT
NeilC says:
So I need to get a new computer. I've been using PCs for years both at home and work, but I'm a bit fed up with them quickly becoming very slow as very program under the sun installs itself and can't be removed so I'm starting to be swayed by the advertising and I'm on the verge of buying a MAC.
A couple of questions though:
- Are they really worth the money? I can get a new windows laptop for £500, Macs are £1,000 +. Can you justify the extra £500.
- What software will I miss when I change. What are the things I just can't get on a MAC?

Posted on 28 Apr 2009 10:19:36 BDT
I use Macs at home and for most things I find them to be perfect, OSX is a nice operating system in my opinion. Both of my machines also run Windows Vista via Bootcamp for when I need any PC specific tools (& games!) so I miss nothing, and all of my legacy software purchases can still be used. This setup works very well for me.

Posted on 28 Apr 2009 14:41:32 BDT
The PC is so cheap nowadays in comparison to the Mac, if it came to buying a Mac or a PC for future proofing purposes I'd have to plump for PC building. I do like using Macs and their distinctive style, but it's not enough to open my creaking wallet!

Posted on 28 Apr 2009 20:41:38 BDT
G. martin says:
I have used a pc & now own a Mac. I find the Mac a much more stable system, & although pc's seem to change a lot more often, the Mac just seems to continue working without a glitch. Yes the Mac is a lot more expensive but worth every penny.

Posted on 29 Apr 2009 21:02:38 BDT
D. V. Gee says:
Mac. You get what you pay for. I teach mac and it's a platform made for designers.

Posted on 6 May 2009 09:24:49 BDT
NeilC says:
Thanks for all the comments guys. I've got the money so I think I'm going to plug for the MAC, though it is tempting to save the money with a cheaper windows laptop, especially now that Windows 7 is getting good early reviews...

Posted on 14 May 2009 14:03:47 BDT
J. Watkin says:
There's nothing in any of the comments that really confirm why someone would buy a mac over a pc.
I use both systems at work and home, and a high end PC using a core i7 processor is a joy to behold.
I like the styling of macs and for video editing and for work situations I seem to prefer using the mac.
But there's nothing on my mac that isn't available on a PC.
I also don't buy this thing about stability. The machine I'm using has Vista patched to an inch of its life and I can't remember the last time it crashed.
Yes Vista has its problems as does every operating system known to man, but stability in my experience isn't one of them.
Also, the availability and choice of software for the PC is immense, as is the availability of hardware/upgrades at competitive prices.
If I had to pay twice as much for a mac as a PC I would go for the PC every time.
Finally, Windows 7 is round the corner and that's looking good. So good most mac users will dual boot I suspect?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Jun 2009 19:08:32 BDT
I. Bunney says:
I own an IBM Thinkpad, widely acknowledged to be one of the finest laptop PC's ever made. It is a wonderful computer, beautifully constructed and works perfectly running Windows XP Professional. I wouldn't touch Vista with a bargepole.
I also own an Apple Mac. The Mac is in a different league altogether and it was actually cheaper than the IBM Thinkpad!
Mac's are much easier to use and faster, they never slow down or freeze as more applications are opened. They need software updates less frequently and rarely need patches. If an application crashes on a Mac, the Mac keeps on running and all you do is open the application again.
Macs come complete with all the software most people will ever need - completely free! And don't get me started on viruses, malware, adware, etc.
The only reason to buy a PC is if you are a heavy duty gamer running intensive multi-player 3D games. You would be wiser to buy a PS3 and a Mac, though.
And no, I don't work for Apple! I just want to work on my computer without constant interruptions from virus checkers and updates from Microsoft to fix bugs and glitches in the programs that keep crashing and shutting down my PC!

Posted on 17 Jun 2009 21:18:10 BDT
J. Palfrey says:
I work on both Macs and PC's and personally I think that PC's are a lot better and more enjoyable experience using. I haven't had my Vista PC crash for over year while the Mac I work on has crashed several times while using it. Another issue I have is the layout of the OS on Macs, I know some people prefer it, but personally I'm not a fan as I find that its harder to find and organise files and I do find the grey design abit depressing compared to Vista. Also find the programmes popping up every time you go near the bottom of the page annoying.

Anyway thats some of my issues with Macs, I know not everyone will agree and thats fair enough as most of my problems with Macs are personal.

Reasons for PC
-Wide range of software
-Games
-Cheaper
-Upgradable
-Now has a strong OS
-Easy to use and as your coming from PC wont have to relearn.
- Blu Ray!

Reasons for Mac
- Nicely built, good design
- Comes with some good software
- Some people prefer the layout
- Strong OS

Also I dont agree that Macs are better for Media work than PCs, as Photoshop seems to work better on PC and for video editing I think Sony Vegas Pro 9 (PC only) is better than Final Cut Pro (Mac Only) as it runs a lot smoother, easier to learn, accepts more formats, cheaper to buy and better audio editing options.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Jun 2009 12:55:07 BDT
You can use Parallels Desktop or VMFusion to run Windows side by side with Mac OSX. Or you could use Bootcamp that comes with Leopard. But that requires a restart. You'll need a copy of windows though.

Posted on 28 Jun 2009 11:09:24 BDT
The leap from PC to Mac is often a daunting one, but I have yet to meet anyone who has regretted making the leap. Indeed, you don't realise just how much trouble you suffer using a PC until you switch to Mac and it won't be long vefore you ask yourself "Why on earth didn't I do this sooner???". Many PC (only!) users will bleat on that Mac users are smug and state that PCs can do everything Macs can do for half the price and whilst to a degree that's true, Macs do everything SO much easier. Stability is not an urban myth either. OS X is far better than Windows (any version!) and that's true for software installs, running apps and speed of boot up. My Mac took 36s to boot up when I bought it two years ago. Today it takes 36s to boot up . . . how many PC owners can say the same?

Your processor won't constantly be running Norton AV, you'll not need to reboot your machine every time you install software (or it crashes!), iLife WILL give you everything you need for Music, Photos, Home Videos and Web Page Creation (if you want to use that!) and use OpenOffice if you need a free replacement for MS Office! And if you are a gamer, buy a PS3, XBox 360 or Wii . . .

Once you go Mac, you never go back :-p

Posted on 29 Jun 2009 02:37:56 BDT
G. S. Brown says:
It's nice to see the apple or PC fanboys (with the possible exception of Paul The Half Swiss) haven't wreaked a sensible discussion about the choice of OS.

Personally, I would always pick a PC over a mac purely because I'm a gamer that has to constantly be upgrading his system but that's just me.
Currently I'm using Windows 7 RC and it is a joy (although I got rid of Vista because it's the most annoying OS I've ever used) and they really have fixed the majority of all those annoyances Vista threw at me. Mention UAC and I have a mental breakdown but in Win7 it's tamed and much more useful as I keep it turned on now and barely notice it.

I will be honest and say I've never really used a Mac but I do like their stylings and my last encounter with OSX was a confusing one but that's purely my fault being used with PC and my right click.

One thing that particularly annoys me though is the somehow widely know "fact" that macs are mush more safer and stable then a PC. They seem to forget that yes, XP isn't the most secure OS in the world and that it's not the most stable but they always forget that its nearly 10 years old!

And in response to Paul The Half Swiss about gamers buying PS3, xBox 360 or Wiis, I can impartially state that the PC is the best games machine ever. It's true that it can be more expensive but that depends if your happy with Wii graphics or PS3. Everything on the consoles is tightly controlled but on the PC your free to do what ever you want. You set up your own server, set gravity to 1 tenth and then have the funniest game of COD4 ever. If you want motion sensing on the Wii though, go buy a real tennis racket.

Anyway, I've gone off topic. I would wait until Windows 7 comes out to make a choice between PCs and a Mac. From using the RC, I can say that I have no reason to want anything else and it's the best OS I have ever used. That said, I will be round my mates place later with his shiny new macbook and although I said I've personally never properly experienced (could be phrased better) a Mac but he's a proper Apple fan boy so I know what I'm talking about.

Posted on 3 Jul 2009 12:59:50 BDT
I made the switch from PC to Mac about six months ago and initially found it quite daunting. Getting peripheral devices such as my old mobile phone and even older laser printer to work with the Mac proved impossible, so I had to replace them. However, the Mac is definitely faster, more reliable, sexier and more secure than any PC I ever had. Not having to use Norton makes up for any fear at the start of switching over!
I use Office 2004 for Mac, so still get the benefits of MS's best software - if anything Office seems to run better on the Mac than it did on my (apparently) more powerful PC. I heard that Office 2008 for Mac may not have been that good initially, which was why I didn't upgrade when I could have.
Lack of choice and availability of games is an issue, but i wanted to give up Civ 4 anyway...

Posted on 4 Jul 2009 19:33:08 BDT
I use to use a pc. But three years ago i bought a white intel iMac (the last of it's kind in fact)
Now i am going back to the PC. Building myself a i7 quad core whore pretty soon.

Why am i going back i hear you ask. Simple, tweaking, customization, control and most of all gaming AND Windows 7 (This was correct untill i saw benchmarks that put vista x64 against win7 x64 - Vista kicked win7's behind)

Gaming = PC (no, cider is not at all that fantastic)
Anything else = OS X (Mac)

I plan to keep my iMac for things such as anything other than gaming.
I mean the screen on these machine are quite amasing.

Posted on 5 Jul 2009 09:10:45 BDT
Dozygit says:
I've hated Windows since the beginning.

But things have changes. Windows 7 is very impressive,and will definitely be pre-ordering.

Bought an Intel iMac for my wife (who's never used a Mac, and she hated it (as do I). What people do not mention is that it is very counter-intuitive to the average PC based person. And don't believe all that hype about "it just works" - it doesn't quite often.

And its iLife software just sucks something bad! I just couldn't figure how to burn a DVD video from a folder that contained a ripped video. I had to install popcorn.

I would seriously suggest waiting for Windows 7 rather than rushing into a Muc and regretting it. As you said, PC are much cheaper than Macs, and I seriously think Windows 7 will regain lost ground.

Me? I've installed Ubuntu on all my computers (laptop, netbook, and even the iMac!). Don't use the Mac anymore. And I certainly don't miss it.

Posted on 11 Jul 2009 13:14:30 BDT
laptop wise I will always pick a macbook nothing compares for the price. Desktop wise it will be windows as I hate integrated (unfixable) units and windows on a decent system runs fine

Posted on 15 Jul 2009 12:29:09 BDT
Greg Taylor says:
In my experience, Microsoft have made great strides on eliminating the progressive slowdown that you have described. I used to reinstall XP every 3-5months because it had become too slow. With Vista this has been much less noticeable. I have only reinstalled Vista once, and that was because I had managed to break the installation rather than because it had become too slow. I can only expect Win7 to be a further improvement in this department.

Posted on 15 Jul 2009 19:31:35 BDT
Depends what you want to use it for.

If you only want to browse the web, check email, write documents, video or photo editing, Get a Mac.
If you ever want to do anything more than that get a PC.

Posted on 16 Jul 2009 16:57:13 BDT
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Posted on 17 Jul 2009 11:04:43 BDT
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Mr. J. Ward says:
Have you thought about Linux? It has become a real alternative in the past few years and has a similar number of drivers pre-installed to rival that of macs. Also its free! I would recommend Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/get) which is the most popular distribution of Linux and is very user friendly as well as being well supported! You don't even need to install it to try it out as you can burn the .iso file to a cd and boot it from there.
I really do highly recommend Linux, and in my opinion it is much better than mac. You can even use your current PC and keep windows installed by dual-booting the two operating systems (all you need is 4gb of free space to install).

Also you don't need to buy any security products as it is not targeted by hackers, unlike macs.

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Jul 2009 11:39:27 BDT
lingoago says:
Yes I think Mac's are worth the money if you can justifly the cost with what you make with it. With a Mac you get heaps of software so you have learn a lot, there's lots video tuitorials at Apple online. If your near a big mac shop (double mean, a joke no!)
You can go to lots of free workshops

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2009 21:12:46 BDT
A Thompson says:
I'm suprised you say you work on both types of systems but prefer the PC ! I've worked operating systems from windows 3,IBM MVS, UNISYS SVR4 Unix etc etc and I can say that OS X is easily the most intuitive OS I've worked with.
Have you deliberately ignored that the Mac Video Card is not bound to the motherboard ? Not sure what you mean by upgrade but as to hardware I've had no problems installing h/w to a Mac. None of this CD with driver nonsense, as an example a bluetooth USB dongle for Mac - Plug it in, for windows - full colour leaflet explaining how to install the software for the hardware and a CD with software Strong OS = You have 3 32bit versions and 3 64bit versions but is the 64 bit actually working - why do you see PCs advertised with 3GB ? Blu Ray - Apple were on the initial Blu Ray committees and look at La Cie

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Jul 2009 21:30:22 BDT
tea cake says:
Cotton says i bought the Mac mini and i found i had to buy another computer. I heard a lot about the new Imac and like NeilC says it`s the money issue. I went a head and bought it, but now with hind sight i wished i did not. I have had nothing but trouble with it. After a month i discovered the screen was faulty [ Under Warranty] i informed Currys and they said it`s got nothing to do with us
contact Apple. Apple said YOU have got to take it to the nearest Apple dealer which was about 40 miles away. This is still ongoing it`s a night mare. Now with hindsight i would have bought a PC
from Dell as J.Watkin said you can get 17 processor`s as well as upgrading memory and graphics card. When Apple gets your money and something happens, You need a lot of money

Posted on 21 Jul 2009 11:28:51 BDT
Gray Johns says:
Mac = Designed hardware and OS to complement each other. PC = Mish mash of hardware on mish mash OS with extreme security holes and a slew of patches and SP's to repeatedly destabilise the whole setup. Look at third party market for PC / MS Windows OS "fix it" utilities and compare that to the MAC OS and Unix OS. I am a PC user - have to be for my work, but as a buyer and if I need to buy a home computer then it will be a MAC. An entirely integrated and designed solution versus an eclectic mix of stuff that may or may not work in tandem with each other let alone work in a robust, reliable, seamless and cohesive manner. Mac = 2 x cost yes, lifespan is far greater than average PC.

In reply to an earlier post on 31 Jul 2009 12:36:04 BDT
Last edited by the author on 31 Jul 2009 12:38:59 BDT
In reply to tea cake - you bought a faulty Mac (the first one I bought was faulty as well) I returned mine & Apple repaced it with one that worked. Why the fuss?
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