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In reply to an earlier post on 29 Oct 2009 08:29:52 GMT
The protection plan doesn't just cover phone support. If anything goes wrong with your Mac in the first three years, and Apple shop or authorised Apple repair centre will order the parts and fit them free of charge. If the logic board went, that could cost £500 to replace - good value if you only paid £130 for the service. Oh and you do get free tech support for the first 30 days after you buy the Mac, if you buy the AppleCare (protection plan) that tech support is extended to the full three years.

I think whoever tried to sell you the AppleCare didn't really know what he was talking about! I never used to worry about warranty on computers, but since working in an Apple Premium reseller (I don't anymore because I moved away from the area), and actually understanding what it covers, I bought Applecare for my Macs, my Apple Display and my Mum, Dad and sister's Macs aswell. After seeing my colleague get a new laptop out of Apple (a newer model), it is def worth an extra £100-£150 if only for the piece of mind!

Posted on 27 Oct 2009 12:23:49 GMT
T. Leggett says:
No one has mentioned the better OS upgrade path offered by Apple. Snow Leopard comes as a single install for £25.00 or a five install package for £39.00. No need for Home, Premium, Business or Enterprise versions as it is with Windows prices rise the more features required. Mac OS doesn't need constantly validating if software is added or removed or additional hardware is added the way Microsoft and Windows constantly require. I moved to Mac from PC 3 years ago and don't envisage going back.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Oct 2009 00:03:43 GMT
DT says:
Ah Mr Moore,

How come you managed to write that note? Surely you don't use Windows on a PC? A system so sensible you turn it off by pressing 'Start'

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Oct 2009 10:25:56 GMT
Heavy duty gamers use Xbox 360

Posted on 25 Oct 2009 10:23:38 GMT
My answer is simple, like Nokias, Macs make no sense to me. I can't use them, I don't buy them.

Posted on 24 Oct 2009 20:56:25 BDT
mary says:
I use mac now after years of using PCs, it was a leap of faith but I am so glad I changed, I have not regretted anything. The Mac has a stable OS, it rarely has glitches or freezes and I have never seen a virus on a mac.
It has a simple user interface, excellent bundled software, you can get microsoft word for mac..if you really need it....
The feel of a mac is so comfortable, you really will wonder why you didn't buy one before! Yes they cost more than PCs, but then you are getting what you pay for, a superior piece of techno(love)ology.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Oct 2009 20:32:18 BDT
Macs are far superior in my opinion . I changed last November and love it. My wife has just started using her new Macbook and now knows why I rave about it.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Oct 2009 12:41:43 BDT
Last edited by the author on 24 Oct 2009 12:42:35 BDT
S. J. Cooper says:
Quote from Tanith:

"It's harder to write exploits for Windows than the Mac, but all you see are Windows exploits. That's because if [the hacker] can hit 90% of the machines out there, that's all he's gonna do. It's not worth him nearly doubling his work just to get that last 10%."

So why did Mac OS 8 have virus's then? They sold a lot less then.

Another internet quote from Charlie Miller:

"Charlie Miller, co-author of "The Mac Hacker's Handbook," said that the Mac OS will be easier to crack than Windows because it is bigger and less concisely written. This means that there is more room for vulnerabilities and bugs."

But he actually doesn't have proof does he?

Note Charlie has written a book on Mac Hacking, he's not going to say it actually is quite secure is he.

Posted on 21 Oct 2009 22:21:13 BDT
Last edited by the author on 7 Nov 2009 10:28:40 GMT
S. U. Larsen says:
I had thought long and hard on the problem of getting a PC to replace my Amiga in the mid to late 90s. I read mags, I ran in and out of shops, I read more mags. And the more I read the less I understood, except I understood I would have to be very knowledgeable if I got a PC. And protect myself against viruses and stuff, and always being obliged to buy new pieces of hardware to update ugly beige boxes. I had enjoyed diving into the internals of the C64 and the Amiga, even programming in machine code (the fastest 3-D and fractal routines of the entire galaxy), and I knew that would have to end. Instead high level complexity would demand all attention, and to be honest it seemed and looked incredibly boring. 6510 and 68000 was fun!

The final straw was witnessing my nephew´s new PC being set up and software installed by men who knew what they were doing. I swore I would NEVER let that disaster happen to me. And the Amiga soldiered on, even if I could only use it for some gaming, and new games for the Amiga had disappeared.

Then one day in late 2000 I discovered the local Apple dealer. I had before that in ´84 barged my way into some sort of opening performance. It was very distinct from the Commodore or Sinclair dealers; more an event for the select few of both sexes, the prices being as high as the heels. Only later I realised this must have been one of the first Mac extravaganzas in Denmark. Also the beastly expensive Lisa rather put me off anything Apple; and I finally became aware of something called the iMac but taken no notice: they were pretty toys, right? Of no use to man or beast, only made to put Apple on the consumer map. But now it was 2000 and I sauntered in, looked at them and asked a few questions, most of them stupid and answered pleasantly. Now, this was at exactly the right time: 400 MHz G3, USB, Firewire, sensible graphics card, a very fine keyboard and a mouse that was better than the one before. Everything oozed quality. I bought a Ruby one the next day, hardly needing to think about it. I brought it home, opened the box, read the manual - very obviously NOT written by a nerd - and had everything put together in a few minutes. Installing the OS was simplicity itself (guided by the manual) and I was on the net almost before I was aware of it. Ha ha, and I had brought "Caesar III" along too and I only surfaced several weeks later.

Sure, in the years to come I did get some hardware: a USB and later a Firewire CD burner, an external Firewire HD, 512 MB of RAM. Scanner and printer. But I always felt I expanded instead of replacing. The new OS X cured a certain lack of stability.
I saw no reason to regret and I later have acquired a G5 iMac and the present intel iMac. I would only wish for some more games for the Mac platform, and more backwards compatibility - the Myst games f.ex, printers: I was not too happy when Jobs announced they would drop the classic environment. I had to buy a Playstation 3, simply so as not to miss the new Call of Duty and Colin McRae versions, and for the Blu-ray. Sometimes I could wish for more apps for the Mac platform - photo, music - but I also rather like the clarity of a somewhat limited range, and anyway the iLife suite these days covers a lot .

The present iMac is a wonderful quiet all-in-one. No roaring box standing on the floor, but I must admit the first two Macs were a bit noisy. I´ll use this one for a couple years more, then proudly line it up along the other iMacs in case I should need it, and get myself a widescreen one with quadcore and Blu-ray. Or whatever it´ll be. As for a broken down iMac: not here, knock-on-wood, not ever. Except for the in the end dodgy slot-in CD drive on the first iMac, a HD partition I was obliged to avoid on the 2nd, and the LCD screen that had to be replaced, but that was my b....y fault and the insurance covered it. Only things that have been trouble were the expansions and extras, and I can´t blame Apple for that.

The Mac platform has been badly supplied with games lately, the Epson 890 and Canon 865 printers are becoming old by now and are so-so in 10.6.1, that´s the only worry presently. Office, iTunes, Safari, Toast lite, Camino browser, external HD and DVD burner, the scanner and Photoshop Elements are adequate for me. And I recently got myself an iPod Nano. PCs are unknown territory to me to this day, that I must add in all fairness.

My quiet satisfaction has led to a couple Macs more popping up in the family. I try to steer well clear of too obvious enthusiasm, only commenting when their PCs has been laid low by a virus: "wot´s that?". The hype of "the reality distortion field" is more of an embarrasment.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Oct 2009 02:13:17 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Oct 2009 02:21:30 BDT
DT says:
I was beginning to think that this was quite a reasonable discussion instead of the usual mac/PC flamefest. But Ms. J. Brown, with the exception of your first paragraph you are talking rubbish. PCs don't come with Photoshop either - It costs more than the average PC does! And what's this about not being able to write a letter without buying something - utter rubbish - there's a well equipped WP built in that opens and saves Word DocX files as standard. iWork (if you do buy it) creates and opens doc and docX files, XLS files and PPS files. You don't appear to know very much about Macs at all so I would refrain from posting comments about them and concentrate on comments about Windows (assuming you know something about that).

Oh. this malware you mention - got any examples?

That said there have been a few comments that show ignorance on the part of some windows users. Right click for example. The mac mouse is a four button mouse - and even when it wasn't, right click was available just buy using a windows mouse.

Using windows on the mac (and Linux) and OSX - all possible and all at the same time if you wish - no double booting, using Parallels or VM fusion you can run all flavours of Windows on the mac at the same time (mind you you'll need plenty of RAM)

But no-one here (except one of the few Linux fans) has mentioned WINE. An application called Crossover (which is a mac implementation of WINE) allows many windows apps to run on the mac without windows. MS Office (the win version) runs very well and the crossover website lists all the apps they claim will run OK. The only ones I have failed to run have been apps that require the CD to be in the drive while the app runs.

I'll agree, on the games front. There are a few games on the mac and they are pretty good but I don't know any mac users (I'm in the business so I know lots) who are into games other than the usual solitaire, sudoku and Mah Jong type games. Mostly they use them to get on with their work.

One big plus on the mac side (though I don't know if Win7 includes it) is automatic backing up. Yes I know you can buy programmes and stuff to do it and many external drives come with backup software - but - have you used it? On a new mac you just plug in your external drive and instantly the mac asks "do you want to use this as your back up drive?" you say yes (assuming that it's formatted for mac use* - which quite a few are now) and that's it, After an hour or so your first backup is complete and the mac then quietly backs up everything you do as you do it. You need to do a recovery of a file - it takes seconds. You need to recover an entire drive - just click recover and sit back. (*It will work with FAT formatted drives but it's more reliable if the drive is reformatted for mac))

I've gone on a bit I know, but those people who claim that windows is a more logical system to use than the mac must be smoking something.

Posted on 19 Oct 2009 20:09:29 BDT
Scott says:
Somebody answer me this is Mac's are so much better why are only 10% of the computing market using it?

It was proven recently by the security expert Charlie Miller that Windows 7 and even Windows Vista is more secure than the Apple Snow Leopard. A Mac user is much less liable to get attacked than a Windows user, but that's not because Snow Leopard is more secure than Windows. In fact, he says, it's less secure than either Vista or Windows 7. There simply aren't enough Mac users to make it worth hackers' efforts to attack Macs, he says. Computerworld quotes him as saying:

"It's harder to write exploits for Windows than the Mac, but all you see are Windows exploits. That's because if [the hacker] can hit 90% of the machines out there, that's all he's gonna do. It's not worth him nearly doubling his work just to get that last 10%."

For more info on that Google: "Windows 7 more secure than Snow Leopard"

Posted on 19 Oct 2009 19:53:09 BDT
Geoff Upton says:
A thought for you all, instead of getting a mac or staying with windows why not try Linux? There are many "flavours" of it, Debian is the main one, along with redhat, slakware, knoppix, slax etc. Its easy to download the WHOLE operating system, burn it on a DVD (or buy a book with the cd in!) then install it on the same system as Windows (of course you'd need something like partition magic to help resize the windows partition (which is extremely easy and doesn't need any reinstalling!) The advantage of this is that you can use both on the same machine and get something close to Mac OS but better! Also, Linux has a nifty emulator for windows programs called WINE which can run most windows programs inside the linux OS, i think there is also a Mac one but don't quote me there! It may look big ans scarey but Linux is easier to use than windows (after about a week!) and things are where you expect them to be! I'd say stick to the pc and install linux along with windows!

Posted on 30 Sep 2009 00:40:09 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Sep 2009 00:49:46 BDT
A slight addition/addendum in that when it comes to Windows copying the feature set in OSX, Windows does a very bad job of it and tends to make a hash of it. I mention this as both companies need each other and not just for Microsoft to copy the features in OSX, and badly, but to ensure there is consumer choice, be that domestic, professional and business consumers alike or at all different levels of computer usage.

As some others have said on the point about cost, you get what you pay for, however does paying in excess of £2500 for a laptop that cannot run OSX nor performs any better, in fact worse than a top of the range MacBook Pro running OSX and is at around £500 cheaper as well, constitute value for money?

Forget comparing a computer made from cheaper components that's like comparing a BMW with a Ford. Both offer great cars, but on performance and reliability the BMW beats Ford and BMW's also have a higher price tag.

Yes gone are the days of Macs being overall more expensive and a recent press release with Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer stating that Apple's market share for its software is a 'rounding error', and is also expensive. Ballmer has said this more than once, around 4 times in recent press interviews and so how can rounding errors be wrong that many times on comparison with different features. Ballmers latest being over Safari vs Internet Explorer with Safari having more users than Internet Explorer. Of course the most used browser in fact is Firefox anyhow.

I do hope that Windows 7 proves to be enough of a success for Microsoft and yes I do plan on replacing my XP Pro install with Windows 7 Professional. I don't need the full features offered in Ultimate, though it'd be much simpler to offer only 2 kinds of Windows 7, one just as is in Professional and the other being Windows 7 Server Edition as in Ultimate. Most users will only need one or the other. Home edition I'd suggest forget exists and only focus on either Professional or Ultimate as Home editions of Windows in the past have been the worst of all in the whole range and I expect Windows 7 Home Edition to be no exception.

Finally welcome to the party, you're late but there might be enough food and a couple of slices of cake left for you Steve Ballmer.

Posted on 29 Sep 2009 21:30:00 BDT
On the point about Macs not coming with 2 button mice is true they don't, all Macs come with a 6 button mouse in the Mighty Mouse. Yes you do have to set the mouse up to use all 6 buttons and even to right click via System Preferences and then Mouse if you're running Snow Leopard or under Keyboard & Mouse in Leopard.

Posted on 29 Sep 2009 21:24:52 BDT
Last edited by the author on 30 Sep 2009 00:06:55 BDT
If OSX is supposed to be that bad, why does Microsoft copy OSX? This has always been the case for at least the past 10 years or more.

Now consider that if there really is no difference between OSX & Windows on features does it then matter which is best, because really, they'll be pretty much just the same? My own philosophy on this is go with whatever works for you. For me Windows only does so for games and nothing else and for those other things OSX trumpts Windows. To me Windows is a games system and so better compared to PS3, Wii, Xbox360 etc and Windows is easily better than any console. The idea of running a business on a games platform baffles me a bit and yes I'm not surprised that when Windows crashes even for a short while that business/service essentially ceases operations.

Posted on 29 Sep 2009 21:24:10 BDT
Remember that Apple Macs are higher priced as the components, all the bits inside, are server grade and not 'desktop' grade. This is why Apple's last a lot longer and suffer fewer burn outs.

Whoever said that OSX is only good for designers needs to realise this is the 21st Century now, still not the 20th in that OSX is perfectly adept at offering business users the features and environment they need and as a matter of fact OSX delivers a much higher productivity ratio than Windows.

Hasn't anyone considered why it is the case that Windows seems to mirror the feature set of OSX? Vista introduced widgets, incorrectly called gadgets in Windows and now in Windows 7 you're getting Microsoft's version of the 'dock' functionality from OSX. All your applications/programs etc can be lined up along the bottom, left or right of the screen and simply clicked on to open and yes you choose which programs go into the dock. Yes the dock feature in OSX can be hidden and only appear by hovering the mouse cursor over where you've placed the dock, yes even magnify each icon to enable easier selection of individual programs/applications on a much more cluttered dock.

Posted on 29 Sep 2009 21:23:14 BDT
Best not make a price comparison with Win 7 Ultimate at circa £170 and Snow Leopard at £39.00 with a 5 user licence (which is a full version too) as this is not fair considering that Snow Leopard is not a major release of OSX. It is more of a clean up by dropping support for when Apple had PowerPC cpu's before switching to Intel.

I do have a Mac Pro, upgradable to an extent, graphics card, ram, HD but not CPU (not unusual for a branded computer) and yes Win XP Pro is just for gaming. I don't mind this at all and at one time I compared my Windows install to my brothers brand new Dell XPS also running XP Pro SP/3 and found that my Mac Pro install of XP Pro was noticeably faster at carrying out the exact same functions, same game, settings etc. In the end this prompted my brother to get a refund for his Dell and then bought himself an iMac 24", the cheaper Dell refund wasn't enough to make up a Mac Pro tower.

Posted on 29 Sep 2009 21:22:25 BDT
At last something decent for Windows users! Though quite a number of features in Win 7 mirror OSX Snow Leopard, albeit not blu-ray, still absent in OSX apparently due to blu-ray having a too low bandwidth required for display port. However there is a third party option with Toast X by Roxio for the Mac, which does support the Blu-Ray format & drives in OSX.

Posted on 29 Sep 2009 21:14:32 BDT
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Posted on 29 Sep 2009 14:01:35 BDT
Buzz says:
I've been using Macs for professional graphic design since 1992. When I started my current job I was dropped into an Windows(XP)-only environment. I've been using mostly the same software (Adobe Creative Suite) and some MS Office apps. In the last 8 months, my HP xw8600 Workstation (very expensive PC) has had to have its RAM replaced, motherboard replaced and has been unreliable enough for me to have to complete work projects at home on my 3-year-old iMac in order to meet deadlines!

I recently got a performance laptop at work (Dell Precision M6400) which has been more reliable than the desktop but... (and this is a big one) it retails at over £2500 and does not outperform the MacBook Pro top model - which is over £500 cheaper. Oh, and the new mac OS is available for £25!

The assumption that you will get better value from a PC just doesn't stand up any more!

Posted on 21 Sep 2009 17:59:12 BDT
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Posted on 20 Sep 2009 15:10:44 BDT
Old_Timer says:
Had 3 mac's. Back to 1 and 2 pc's. Total costs (including repair costs), lack of software, lack of supported hardware (OS X still has less than 5% OS market share) and Apple's "lock-in" policy has driven me back. Buy the right components, install the right drivers and it is as stable as any Mac.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2009 15:05:42 BDT
Old_Timer says:
Amount of faulty returns sort of tells you a lot about the production line in China.

In reply to an earlier post on 18 Sep 2009 19:54:33 BDT
Markyboy says:
Hi NeilC. I bought an mac a month ago after always having a PC and I would never go back to a PC. It takes a few days to get used to and then you will be saying the same. It works the way you want a computer to work. They are well worth the money. I can't say enough good things about the mac.

Posted on 17 Sep 2009 22:57:56 BDT
Rich Tea says:
I think it is obvious that people who have long experience with one operating system will prefer that.
However the points made in favour of Macs are strong. I look after 8 macs of different specifications some machines are 5 years old, all on the Leopard operating system. Upgrading 5 machines cost less than £130 and was painless.
All machines are backed up using time machine to give a secure data structure.
Each machine is networked wired and wireless as appropriate, set up is quick I install new macs in 1 1/2 hours maximum with network and internet settings, printer drivers, access security, email set up, loading additional software for database and MS office.
I dont play games but do use the Mac to watch TV downloads from the major channels. We have never had a virus. We use Windows emulation to run one programme, that has been infected through the internet so i have to add a virus protection programme. Imagine selling a car and asking extra for locks on the doors.
I have to have a windows laptop to show to some customers it has also had virus issues, the uptime before there is a crash is measured in hours, our Macs tend to be turned off at weekends having run all week.
I dont think I could manage PC maintenance in the part time way I look after the macs.
I also like the way Apple meets its promises, can you imagine Microsoft delivering the new Windows early? Apple launched Snow Leopard ahead of schedule. The Windows 7 comments are not based on released software but on preview items usually run by people with technical skills.
At initial purchase the Mac is more expensive but the total cost over time is economic, there is a strong second hand market even for five year old machines.
My only complaint was that all Macs should come with a two button mouse, we replaced the Apple mouse on every one, now that is solved.
So buy a Mac, buy Office if you must have PowerPoint and Excel otherwise buy iWork, and enjoy easy computing.
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