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Initial post: 17 May 2013 17:45:44 BDT
66 says:
This forum is not just for Doctor Who DVD's, and is for people who are interested in all aspects of Doctor Who, be that DVD's, CD's, books, etc. All is welcome here

In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 18:07:15 BDT
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In reply to an earlier post on 17 May 2013 18:12:55 BDT
66 says:
Thanks Barry. I thought it might mean an end to the constant need to apologise for being 'off topic'.

Posted on 17 May 2013 18:24:26 BDT
66 says:
For anyone interested, you can currently download the complete box sets of Demon Quest and Serpent Crest for 6.99 and 7.99 respectively on AudioGo.

Posted on 17 May 2013 18:30:27 BDT
Phil Smith says:
Glad you started this 66 as the attitude to enjoying Dr Who on the DVD Release Schedule was frosty at best sometimes. The idea of watching Dr Who or even listening to the range of audios and even reading the original book adventures in canonical order should be applauded by other fans not chastised.

I have just finished Spearhead From Space in my attempt to watch every DVD in order (and I filled in the missing episodes with the various audios and odd episodes on other DVD releases) and now head off to Derbyshire to investigate the Cave Monsters. The feature on Spearhead which claims the show had a completely new remit after the falling audiences throughout the War Games is really obvious in the dashing heroic 3rd Doctor and it was a bold move to save Dr Who from being cancelled back then which has meant that the show is still with us today.

Posted on 17 May 2013 18:34:04 BDT
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Subscribed. Good luck with this new thread. Hopefully will have something to add soon enough.

Posted on 17 May 2013 18:57:12 BDT
66 says:
I have recently begun collecting Doctor Who audios, and was wandering if anyone had any suggestions for me for the best ones to start with

Posted on 17 May 2013 19:34:50 BDT
Paul Tapner says:
Someone asked me that on a comment once. Here's the reply I left: [they also asked about which ones to avoid]

The Sirens of Time, the first Big Finish, features Doctors five six and seven, and is a good way to get into the range.

After that, for Doctor Five: Phantasmagoria is a good one to try next. Then Cobwebs, which is the start of the currently ongoing Fifth Doctor, Nyssa Tegan and Turlough run.

Doctor Six; an essential listen is the Marian Conspiracy,which introduces Evelyn Smythe.

Doctor Seven: start with the Fires of Vulcan. Which in addition to being a great story also uses Mel as a character much better than she was ever written on tv. Then see what I wrote on my reply to a comment on the review of the audio black and white, which lists how to get into an ongoing storyline that runs through seventh doctor audios of the past few years.

Doctor Eight: Start with Storm Warning.

The fourth doctor is easy enough to get into given they've only done one season so far. Start with destination nerva.

Funny you should say the odd one to five to be avoided, because there probably are only that many Ive never liked. [approx] and that tends to be one for each doctor:

Red Dawn [which is a bit dull]
The Year of the Pig [very whimsical and not to my taste, and the episodes are far too long]

The Dark Flame [tedious and uninvolving, and one character in it gets awfully annoying]

The stones of venice [to paraphrase Elvis: 'you know what this here story needs? A little less conversation, a little more action by and by.'

Also another fifith doctor one to avoid: the council of nicea: a pure historical where one of his companions gets like Barbara in the aztecs and tries to change history. We're supposed to root for the companion for being so independent in wanting to do this, but they just come over as a spoilt brat. The moment of history is one I'd never heard of it and it doesnt make it clear why its so important, and most of the supporting performances are very flat.

Over in the companion chronicle range for the first doctor ones that are well worth it:

Mother Russia. The suffering. The perpetual bond. The cold equations. The first wave. The anachronauts.

The last of those isnt quite as good as the others but all feature Peter Purves who does a wonderful impression of William Hartnell which I never tire of.

Doctor two:
Helicon prime. The glorious invastion. The selachian gambit. The Jigsaw war.

All contains Frazer Hines impresison of Patrick Troughton. Which is amazing, because he sounds exactly like him.

Doctor Three; had some good ones but no particular stand outs although the wizards oath, featuring richard franklin, is probably the best.

Doctor four: Ferril's folly, featuring mary tamm. And three read by lalla ward: the beautiful people. the pyralis effect. the invasion of e space. the latter actually makes adric a stronger character than he ever was on tv, thanks to one great scene when romana get to know him better.

Lost stories; avoid the hollows of time [which might have been ok if average on tv but doesnt work that well on audio] but the rest are okay. Some of the early colin baker lost stories have very long episodes which can drag a bit though. But the best is the recent release the first sontarans. Which is superb.

Posted on 17 May 2013 19:50:39 BDT
66 says:
Thanks very much Paul

Posted on 18 May 2013 16:28:18 BDT
66 says:
One thing I dislike about 'New Who' is how companions can just come and go from the T.A.R.D.I.S as they please. Like Clara can go to a planet with the doctor, then go home for a week, then go fight the cybermen, then go home for a week, etc. I preferred it when going with the Doctor was actually about running away from home, rather than a weekly trip. Anyone agree?

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Posted on 18 May 2013 20:20:08 BDT
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I have a couple of the Doctor Who Audios:
'The Devil in the Smoke' is actually a Vastra, Jenny and Strax tale. I had actually bought 'The Devil in the Smoke' on Kindle when it was released but then managed to get my hands on the Audio CD. As Dan Starkey is Strax on TV, his reading of the story really brings it to life.

'The Hounds of Artemis' which is a Pond era story.

I also bought the 'Cyberman' series of Audio as a present for a Who fan relative who was delighted with them.

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I have some of the quick reads though I haven't been able to read all of them yet. I enjoyed 'The Angel's Kiss' on Kindle which expanded on River/Melody's story and her work in New York before her appearance in 'The Angel's Take Manhattan' episode.

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Really enjoyed tonight's series finale (The Name of the Doctor) and the little set up for the 50th in November.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 May 2013 11:09:43 BDT
Yes I agree. In a sense the mystery of where the Doctor will turn up next is lost. I didn't mind too much in the early days - Rose going back to Mickey and Jackie was interesting, but I think it went wrong this season with the Doctor dipping in and out of Amy/Rory's lives and then the same happening to Clara.

Let's have a chunk where it doesn't feel as if the companion is there to stay for a while (who can forget Donna in Partners in Crime with her suitcases packed).

In reply to an earlier post on 20 May 2013 15:28:04 BDT
One of the best ways to get into the audios is to find a run of consecutive stories and listen to them from beginning to end. Recently the Big Finish main range has gone for trilogies of stories making them the perfect starting point. Of course a given trilogy might have varying contents, but the ones I have listened to have all been pretty good.

Below are suggestions per Doctor, but I haven't heard every story myself so by definition a limited list

Multi-Doctor: There are a few multi-doctor stories, or arcs, but the best of the lot is The Sirens of Time, primarily because three of the Doctors actually get to interact with one another in the final episode. Look out for the Light at the End in November because it is an Eight Doctors story.

1st Doctor: Peter Purves is superb in all of the Companion Chronicles, switching voices effortlessly and in particular because his Hartnell impression is brilliant. In general the pure historicals are better than the sci-fi ones: The Transit of Venus; Farewell, Great Macedon, The Flames of Cadiz & Mother Russia. However The Rocket-Men and Return of the Rocket-Men are also superb.

2nd Doctor: Frazer Hines is most able to capture the 2nd Doctor, but he is best when he is working alongside one of the other female companions for the female voices. As with Hartnell the best stories are the historicals: Resistance; The Emperor of Eternity and The Glorious Revolution. Also of note are the stories where Zoe is being interrogated about her time with the Doctor which she can't quite remember (Echoes of Grey onwards).

3rd Doctor: There are two actual audios featuring Pertwee - The Paradise of Death is the best of these, otherwise no-one quite captures Pertwee's voice though Katy Manning comes closest (oddly enough). The best that I have come across are Binary; Old Soldiers and The Mists of Time (a freebee with Doctor Who Magazine).

4th Doctor: I'm not a fan of the Hornet's Nest series and would recommend the recent Big Finish audios series for evoking the `Saturday Tea-Time' tag line that they use. In particular Wrath of the Iceni (another pure historical oddly enough). Also the Lost Story Foe from the Future is one of the best audios of all.

5th Doctor: A mixed bunch, but there is a lot to pick from. From memory Phantasmogoria was very good. Recent ones that I have listened to and really enjoyed were Spare Parts and The Game.

6th Doctor: Forget Slipback, Big Finish 6th Doctor is a revelation! Not only are the stories mostly very good, but the character is redeemed from the mess that was the television series of the time (and one doesn't have to watch the awful costume). Anything with Evelyn Smythe is always near the top, starting with the Marian Conspiracy. Also try out The One Doctor for a really good laugh and Doctor Who and the Pirates for something that will make you both laugh and cry. Davros and the Apocalypse Element are two of my favourites.

7th Doctor: Lots to choose from, but Ace is almost always a part of this. Best has to be the recent adaption of Love & War, but the Lost Stories featuring Raine are also very good and so is UNIT: Dominion. Best earlier release is The Fires of Vulcan - a great Mel story.

8th Doctor: Given the limited options on screen, this is really the best medium for the Doctor. The first two Main range series are really good from Storm Warning through to Neverland - it gets a bit variable after that. The Lucie Miller run was also brilliant, (from Blood of the Daleks onwards, in particular The Horror of Glam Rock).

9th Doctor: Limited choice at the moment with only audio-books available. Anthony Head does the best impressions of the characters in Only Human, and the best story is probably The Deviant Strain (though I've not read/heard The Clockwise Man yet)

10th Doctor: As above only audio-books, but some pretty good ones around. The best is Prisoner of the Daleks with Nick Briggs easily evoking the Doctor's voice and doing some very good Daleks as well. Beautiful Chaos is also a great story. One of the earlier audio-only books featuring Tennant and Tate was good, though I can't remember the name at the moment.

11th Doctor: The Silent Stars Go By is probably the best story, evoking an earlier age of Doctor Who while featuring all three leads. The Runaway Train was also a lot of fun, but none of the others stuck out with me.

Torchwood: A lot of the Torchwood audio adventures are pretty good, whether they are readings or dramatisations. Department X is probably the best.

Sarah Jane Smith: No audios made a huge impression on me either in the recent TV version or the earlier Big Finish series, but the first BF series is probably the best.

Bernice Summerfield: A lot of audios featuring the character who originally appeared in the novels. Nothing stands out, though Death and the Daleks is pretty good and ironically the best is probably The Worst Thing in the World, if only for the ending where I fell off my chair laughing.

Others: Big Finish do a lot of spin-offs covering all sorts of genres. The best I've come across is the Jago & Litefoot series (start with the Companion Chronicles: The Mahogany Murderers) and the Dalek Empire series (particularly the first two series).

Posted on 20 May 2013 16:05:59 BDT
66 says:
Thanks Mr. W. D. Burchell. I think I'll start with some of the new Tom Baker Big Finish series. Thanks for the help

Posted on 20 May 2013 20:37:20 BDT
Richard says:
I tend to agree with the idea of a more permanent companion. I've been watching since the mid sixties and companions generally were in it for the long haul (even if some did not live too long). It adds a little drama when the companion becomes excess baggage. The last couple of stories have been more like day trips than 'world saving expeditions.' Good companions will live forever in our memories e.g. Sarah Jane who even got her own series. I still enjoy the Doctor and my own family are also huge fans so my job is done!

Posted on 23 May 2013 11:39:05 BDT
Ben Dean says:
I've only just started listening to the Big Finish audios and agree with Mr Burchell that Colin Baker is a revelation. In the space of only a couple of randomly chosen stories (one of which was the comedy Maltese Penguin) he's gone from being a disappointment to one of my favorite Doctors. His performance is masterful; strong, vulnerable, clever and witty and as an actor he seems completely at home with the audio format.

And I'd heartly recommend Spare Parts. I bought it as I know it is help in high esteem by fans, and it's richly deserved. It would have been so easy to just remake Genesis of the Daleks (which is very much what the TV story did in the end lets face it) but instead Marc Platt wrote a heart wrenching tragedy of a society trying to survive who make so many small essential steps they fail to see where the journey takes them.

Posted on 23 May 2013 11:45:05 BDT
Paul Tapner says:
Spare Parts was the influence for a certain scene in the tv episode 'the Age of Steel.' Which is why the dedication 'special thanks to Marc Platt' appears in the end credits of that.

Posted on 23 May 2013 15:02:46 BDT
Ben Dean says:
I did notice that, but beyond them both being Cyberman origin stories and similarities in the climax the end products have little in common that I could see. Age of Steel as I said comes across as little more than a remake of Genesis of the Daleks, right down to the crazed inventor in a wheel chair. Spare Parts is a much more interesting take, and one that I often found myself thinking I could see our own society doing given similar circumstances.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 17:22:42 BDT
Ooh, I'd forgotten Maltese Penguin - you should also try Holy Terror too. Shame there aren't any other Frobisher stories.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 May 2013 17:23:43 BDT
To a certain extent the loss of humanity of the cybermen is covered by Age of Steel, but not as well as Spare Parts

Posted on 24 May 2013 09:17:55 BDT
Ben Dean says:
Thanks for the Holy Terror recommendation. Despite being an obvious comic relief designed for the comics I've got a soft spot for Frobisher, and Colin Baker sounds like he's having a whale of a time playing him in Maltese Penguin.

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Posted on 27 May 2013 19:52:13 BDT
66 says:
For those that are interested, I have set up a Facebook page also called All Things Doctor Who for anyone that is interested.

https://www.facebook.com/doctorwhofans1150?hc_location=timeline

Posted on 27 May 2013 23:25:22 BDT
Anna Geddes says:
I really enjoyed all the doctors until Matt Smith. The writers are suddenly making the story lines very very weird instead of a straight forward Doctor against villian or monster story. their seems to be no plot in the new stories. I know the director and writers have all changed but maybe not for the better
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