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Initial post: 19 Sep 2013 16:56:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Sep 2013 17:08:55 BDT
I am banned from the American Amazon discussions for political reasons. And I especially miss their "Aliens" forum, where I started and posted in a lot of discussions.

Since Amazon UK has no forums for UFOs, ETs or World Mysteries, I thought I'd start one in this forum. I may not totally believe all the information in the articles I'm going to post, but there will definitely be nuggets worth pondering.

So you've been warned! If you believe governments always tell you the truth and have no hidden agendas, or if you think UFOs and ETs don't exist, you probably need to leave this discussion alone and go back to the forums on History or Needlepoint.

If you want to be privy to what is possibly "making History", then read on ...

Posted on 19 Sep 2013 17:07:42 BDT
On August 23, 2011, there was a surprise earthquake in the Eastern U.S., that registered at 5.9, and originated four miles beneath Mineral, Virginia. There were no known earthquake faults in that part of the country, so there were no "earthquake building codes", thus there was a lot of structural damage. Lots of buildings were evacuated until deemed safe-to-reenter, and a nearby nuclear power plant was shut down as a precaution.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/23/quake-hits-near-washington-d-c/
QUAKE HITS NEAR WASHINGTON D.C.

http://usahitman.com/underground-attack/
WAS THE WASH. D.C. QUAKE REALLY A NUCLEAR ATTACK ON UNDERGROUND MILITARY BASES?
"Livermore seismologist Bill Walter explains that the differences in seismic P- and S-wave energy provide one method of discriminating explosions from earthquakes ... Because underground explosions are spherically symmetric disturbances, they radiate seismic P- waves efficiently." This was the seismic-signature on the 2011 Virginia quake - which was really an underground explosion.

Posted on 19 Sep 2013 17:56:00 BDT
The second large quake - on the same day, August 23, 2011 - registered a 5.3 near Valdez, Colorado, or 180 miles south of Denver, at a depth of about 2.5 miles. It too was a "surprise quake", and the largest earthquake in Colorado since 1967.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/largest-colorado-quake-si_n_933854.html
LARGEST COLORADO QUAKE SINCE 1967

What's most curious, is that on the NW border of New Mexico, just under Colorado, is an underground laboratory-from-hell, where DARPA scientists supposedly work side-by-side with malicious ETs.

There has been one documented battle between U.S. military forces and the Dulce ETs in the 1970s, led by Capt. Mark Richards. (He is now in prison on trumped-up murder charges, but his wife, Jo Ann, still does interviews.)

Was the Southern Colorado quake/explosion in August 2011 in or near this Dulce Base?

(P.S. - This topic of attacking-Dulce is apparently a very sensitive subject. All my posts in the Dulce discussion I started in American Amazon's "Aliens" forum have been deleted - even my OP!)

Posted on 19 Sep 2013 18:04:51 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Sep 2013 18:10:24 BDT
Possibly related, are the recent floods in Colorado, of historical proportions. Both the CIA and NSA have large underground facilities in Colorado, and the Air Force has both NORAD (Cheyenne Mountain) and their Space Command headquarters.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread201310/pg1
(2006) HOW'S THE CIA/NSA MOVE TO COLORADO GOING?

I have had no luck finding articles about any flooding of these important government facilities (much of it underground) in Colorado. All I'm finding are occasional articles on "hundreds still missing" due to the floods.

If anyone can find any information about the flooding of these federal facilities in Colorado, please post.

Posted on 19 Sep 2013 19:59:47 BDT
gille liath says:
"if you think UFOs and ETs don't exist, you probably need to leave this discussion alone and go back to the forums on History or Needlepoint."

Nowt like a robust, evidence-based discussion, is there? :) But I think you've probably put this on the right forum. Am I understanding you correctly: you're implying aliens are causing earthquakes in America?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2013 20:21:24 BDT
Fast Eddie says:
you will probably find that the underground facilities at Dulce base have been badly damaged

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2013 20:30:25 BDT
Handybird says:
I imagine their insurance premiums will go up.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2013 20:38:30 BDT
gille liath says:
Sorry: alien-induced earthquakes are specifically excluded from most policies.

Posted on 19 Sep 2013 21:55:25 BDT
Oh Boy ... So UK pundits are just like a lot of American posters: read only the headlines and go bounding off on tangents in all the wrong directions.

If you'd read the stories I linked to - or even read my comments - you would have seen that the idea is that these earthquakes (in stable areas with no known quake faults) might have been caused by deliberate underground nuclear explosions. Any extraterrestrials involved were toast.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2013 22:05:14 BDT
gille liath says:
Wot no aliens? I feel severely let down then. You have to admit your OP promised more than just sinister American govt conspiracies which - sorry - aren't likely to be of as much interest to us as to you guys.

Sure you haven't got any alien-related earthquakes?

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2013 22:07:19 BDT
Handybird says:
Just a few Unidentified Fried Objects.

Posted on 19 Sep 2013 22:12:24 BDT
Last edited by the author on 19 Sep 2013 22:14:18 BDT
I don't know about you, but I love reading about discoveries with "Light" - even possible Time Cloaks. Here are a few of the more interesting and recent stories in the media:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519471/optical-bernoulli-forces-could-steer-objects-bathed-in-light-say-theorists/
OPTICAL BERNOULLI FORCES COULD STEER OBJECTS BATHED IN LIGHT - THEORETICALLY
This new Bernoulli force is tiny, but could be magnified by exploiting resonant effects. They close the article by asking what this new "steering light force" could be used for. Any ideas? (Comments have some ideas.)

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519166/chinese-researchers-make-an-invisibility-cloak-in-15-minutes/
CHINESE RESEARCHERS CAN MAKE AN INVISIBILITY CLOAK IN 15 MINUTES
They could soon be mass-produced thanks to new ways of designing and manufacturing them out of materials such as Teflon.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/518106/how-to-build-a-time-cloak-with-mirrors/
HOW TO BUILD A TIME CLOAK WITH AN ARRANGEMENT OF SWITCHABLE MIRRORS TO CREATE "HOLES IN TIME"
"The enabling technologies that have made this type of time-cloaking possible are so-called meta-materials that can slow down and speed up Light." But this researcher says it can all be done with mirrors. (No pun intended.)

I don't know which worries me more: the Chinese mass-producing "invisibility cloaks"; or the Ethical arguments about "cloaking events in Time" which could have all sorts of intended and unintended consequences.

In reply to an earlier post on 19 Sep 2013 22:27:44 BDT
Anita says:
I'd rather suggest to watch several seasons of this awesome documentary:

The X Files - Complete Season 1-9 (New Packaging) [DVD]

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2013 11:59:04 BDT
gille liath says:
I suppose I'll have to take that as a 'no'. :(

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2013 11:59:29 BDT
gille liath says:
The truth is out there...

Posted on 20 Sep 2013 18:34:23 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Sep 2013 20:39:35 BDT
As the U.S. government continues to "officially deny" not only the existence of UFOs and ETs, but any government involvement in a cover-up, more proof is coming out about a secretive U.S. group called MJ-12 who are the "official deniers."

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/documents/1948-1959.php
MJ-12 DOCUMENTS (1948-59) WITH AUTHENTICATION RATINGS
Feel free to examine the other MJ-12 documents on this site.

http://www.presidentialufo.com/articles-a-papers/515-is-there-a-ufo-government-control-group-new-information
IS THERE A UFO GOVERNMENT CONTROL GROUP? NEW INFORMATION ON MJ-12

Posted on 20 Sep 2013 19:45:58 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Sep 2013 19:46:16 BDT
Garscadden says:
Gotta love the nutters.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2013 20:08:10 BDT
Handybird says:
For they shall inherit the earth.

Posted on 20 Sep 2013 20:40:54 BDT
Did you even open the sites I linked to? Or does just posting "flippant nonsense" qualify you for shill-payment?

Posted on 20 Sep 2013 21:32:47 BDT
Last edited by the author on 20 Sep 2013 21:35:55 BDT
Here's an interesting and recent UFO video, supposedly shot in night vision (why the craft are green), over Wittenberge, Germany on 09/18/2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOXcxC25-H8
UFO CONFLICT
Shows two triangular craft and a smaller ball (usually scanner craft) slowly maneuvering around in the same space of sky. The left triangle appears stationary, with the small ball southeast of it. The right triangle slowly approaches, and the small ball briefly flares (an alert? communication?) and moves toward the just-arrived right triangle, and stays below it. Both triangles draw closer, and then the left triangle moves NW. At the 1:03 mark, the left triangle appears to zoom forward and blast the right triangle, and then zoom away with a swooshing sound. The "blasted" right triangle seems to quickly fade, and disappear, leaving just the ball-craft.

I have my doubts this is 100% authentic. The three craft against a black sky are easy to photoshop, and the "swooshing" sound was obviously added. You also hear a lot of "clicking" by the photographer, but the scene never changes focus.

I've seen other UFO-blasting-another-UFO videos. Sometimes there is a few seconds delay for "verification", and then the "attack" is swift in a drive-by sense, with a brief flash and no sound. Then the attacked craft disappears, and/or some kind of debris is seen dropping toward the ground.

This may be a real "attack", but it doesn't seem consistent with the other "UFO attack" videos I've seen. Also, triangular craft are seen all over the world now, but haven't been seen in many "attack" videos. So I'd give this only a 30% probability of being real.

In reply to an earlier post on 20 Sep 2013 21:35:28 BDT
Anita says:
Ahh, surely there are plenty of weirdest sites and loads of nonsenses on the net. And surely there are plenty of people who read and believe them, especially in US. Any good reason why you should be littering up our brains with it?

I do think one Bradbury is more than enough for the purpose here.

Last autumn someone forwarded me a letter from Shambala, a *very* detailed and *extremely* convincing description of how the end of the world would come (last December). Sadly my copy went directly to the bin, so can't give the link. But I feel pretty sure that you've read and believed it. Not something to boast about now, surely

Posted on 20 Sep 2013 22:28:31 BDT
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread971770/pg1
INTERESTING DISCUSSION ABOUT MOONS WITH CRATERS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Craters on moons are always interesting to ponder. NASA close-up photos of moon craters usually have air-brushed-out portions of crater walls showing evidence of having been mined and terraced.

But this new series of cratered-moon shots from a distance arouses comparisons to Star Wars' Death Star, with one monster crater that looks like one huge uplink/downlink dish. Could ETs have crafted a "fake" moon crater here and there as a disguised "dish"? Quite possibly, since it would look to cursory observers as just a naturally-formed crater.

http://www.space.com/11540-photos-asteroid-vesta-nasa-dawn.html
PHOTOS OF ASTEROID VESTA WITH CRATERS
Photo 5 of Vesta shows several "pairs" of craters, with the entire right end looking "dented", but with no evidence of a huge impact.

http://news.discovery.com/space/asteroids-meteors-meteorites/weirdest-mars-craters-111230.htm
WEIRDEST MARS CRATERS
Photo 7 is of an oblong/double crater. Notice the blacked-out portions that don't quite match the direction of the light source.

Posted on 21 Sep 2013 15:27:43 BDT
Slow but steady progress looking for "room temperature superconductors":

http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/09/joe-eck-has-made-his-seventh-room.html
JOE ECK AND HIS SEVENTH MATERIAL THAT CAN SUPER-CONDUCT ABOVE ROOM TEMP

http://phys.org/news/2013-08-scientists-hidden-magnetic-high-temperature-superconductors.html
SCIENTISTS DISCOVER HIDDEN MAGNETIC WAVES IN HIGH TEMP SUPER-CONDUCTORS

http://phys.org/news/2013-07-successful-magnet-large-hadron-collider.html
SUCCESSFUL TEST OF NEW U.S. SUPER-CONDUCTING QUADRUPOLE MAGNET PUTS CERN'S LARGE HADRON COLLIDER ON TRACK FOR MAJOR UPGRADE

Posted on 23 Sep 2013 00:21:10 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Sep 2013 00:23:09 BDT
Follow-up post to the near-Washington D.C. quake on August 23, 2011, which was about five miles South by Southwest of Mineral, Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral,_Virginia_earthquake
MINERAL, VIRGINIA, EARTHQUAKE

A few counties to the Northeast, is the remains of the famous Fort Hunt. During World War II, this was a super-secret base for interrogating and holding German POWs, code-named "P.O. Box 1142."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hunt_Park
FORT HUNT PARK

While not much remains today of "1142" (Fort Hunt), there were attempts a few years ago to interview U.S. military personnel who worked there, and are now in their 80s and 90s.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93635950
BREAKING THE SILENCE OF A SECRET POW CAMP
Interviewed in June 2008, 83-year-old Elvin Polesky of Frederick, Maryland, recalled that "We had 250 German war prisoners underneath. They were underground at Fort Hunt."

Could this secure, underground POW barracks have been re-purposed after WWII? Could it have stretched underground to where the 2011 explosion-as-earthquake occurred? Or did underground facilities under Mineral, Virginia, meet up with that underground POW facilities on the Potomac?

Posted on 23 Sep 2013 01:04:51 BDT
Last edited by the author on 23 Sep 2013 01:08:25 BDT
"ORANGE ORBS" AS UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS

Several years ago, "orange orbs" were only being seen in the U.S. around Tampa, Florida, and then in the Gulf of Mexico. Today (like triangular craft) they seem to be a worldwide phenomenon.

They appear to be unmanned surveillance craft, due to their small and circular size, and the fact that the 'orange orbs' have never been associated with other ET-craft characteristics (landings, aliens seen inside or nearby, attracted to certain power sources from nuclear facilities to power lines). Although they have occasionally been seen in the sky near manned ET-craft, as well as briefly hovering to observe fireworks.

They do travel extremely fast with no sound, and can make sharp angled turns - all characteristics associated with ET-craft or ET-technology craft. They are usually seen in multiples of up to three, can be traveling rapidly or seen hovering. Some witnesses have claimed to have seen three of these 'orange orbs' combine in the night sky to form a triangle craft, and a "basketball-sized" 'orange orb' has been seen indoors.

They are not ghost orbs (smaller, white, fleeting, usually only seen indoors) nor Chinese lanterns (which only rise and drift - no independent movement or turns).

I researched them a few months ago in the U.S., where many were seen traveling North or NorthEast from Minnesota to New York, over the Canadian border - many times going directly over airports. (Were they picking up any form of "aircraft communications" in passing? Or were the airports just "noticeable landmarks", both visually and audio-wise?)

Today, MUFON is receiving reports of these 'orange orbs' being seen even over Los Angeles, California (US).

Again, I think these are unmanned surveillance orbs, but I have no idea where they originate or where they go. They were first reported in the U.S. in/near the Gulf of Mexico, and there are reports of them being seen over the UK, so perhaps there is a water-link:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116843
DISCUSSION TOPIC ON "ORANGE ORBS" FROM 2008

If anyone has seen these "orange orbs", or has anything to add, please post.
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