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Initial post: 16 Feb 2014 19:10:02 GMT
diligaf says:
Can anyone recommend any sci-fi or theory books based on other human civilisation before dinosaurs.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Feb 2014 20:12:15 GMT
Hmm, not exactly before dinosaurs, not many humans around then, but there are some interesting books that cross SF and Fantasy as a 'What If?' in a time before our own history began to unfold as we know it. Niven and Pournelle.

The Burning City
The Magic Goes Away
Burning Tower

Posted on 16 Feb 2014 20:45:44 GMT
Anita says:
There's a short story (a novella?) by Eric Brown "The Inheritors of Earth", you'd find out what really happened to Neanderthals. It may be in this colection: Time-lapsed Man and Other Stories , but I'm not 100% sure.

Whilst trying to find it I found something completely different - never read or even knew of this book, but as it seems to fit the bill, may be of some interest to you - ?

Fire in the Stone (Early Classics of Science Fiction (Hardcover))

Posted on 16 Feb 2014 21:00:05 GMT
gille liath says:
It's not pre-dinosaurs, but I seem to remember this being a bit of fun:
The Many-Coloured Land: Saga of the Exiles: Book One: Saga of the Exiles: Book One. Trade Paperback (Saga of the Exiles 1)

Posted on 16 Feb 2014 21:57:44 GMT
Anita says:
As an afterthought - it's alternative history, actually, so it's not *before* dinosaurs, dinosaurs are still here, and they are the dominant (intelligent) race. But there are humans too (kind of). Not sure if that's what you want, but Harry Harrison is always worth reading:

West of Eden (Eden Trilogy)
Winter in Eden (Bantam Spectra Book)
Return to Eden

In reply to an earlier post on 17 Feb 2014 10:22:56 GMT
Excellent alternative world concept - with intelligent 'civilised' dinosaurs.
I'd forgotten about this trilogy, having only hastily speed-read a set borrowed from the hotel library while on a soporific holiday many years ago.
Now I think I need to read them again, more slowly...

Posted on 19 Feb 2014 15:04:17 GMT
diligaf says:
Cheers all will check a few of these out

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 15:06:32 GMT
Ged says:
Are you aware of The 12th Planet and its follow-ups by Zecheriah Sichin? Also Everything You Know Is Wrong by Lloyd Pye. Pre-history theorising at its best.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 17:18:34 GMT
M. Helsdon says:
"Are you aware of The 12th Planet and its follow-ups by Zecheriah Sichin? Also Everything You Know Is Wrong by Lloyd Pye. Pre-history theorising at its best."

Weak pseudoscience at its worst.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 17:33:43 GMT
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Anita says:
I would pretty much advise *against* trusting anything by the daddy of Nibiru.

Had to google Lloyd Pye though... aha :)

[Edited for typo]

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 18:55:17 GMT
M. Helsdon says:
"I would pretty much advise *against* trusting anything by the daddy of Nibiru."

Nibiru was an alternative Babylonian name for the highest point of the ecliptic, and sometimes associated with Jupiter, as the 'star' of the king of the gods, Marduk.

Treating Sitchin as a reliable source of prehistory is a bit like treating Tolkien's The Lord of The Rings (Based on the 50th Anniversary Single volume edition 2004) or R.E. Howard's Hyborian Age as genuine historical documents.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 19:04:36 GMT
Anita says:
Yeah, also Nibiru had to hit Earth in December 2012... Things like that, or like von Däniken and such may be fascinating when you are a teenager. I don't even blush to admit having been fascinated by them some 30 years ago. Not so much anymore...

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Feb 2014 20:10:54 GMT
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M. Helsdon says:
"Things like that, or like von Däniken and such may be fascinating when you are a teenager. I don't even blush to admit having been fascinated by them some 30 years ago. Not so much anymore..."

When I read Chariots of the Gods as a pre-teen I didn't distinguish it very much from other science fiction, though it did give me an interest in real archaeology, not von Daniken's fakes, which seem to be inspired by 'The Morning of the Magicians' in turn derived in part from H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos. This brings us neatly to the actual topic of this thread:

The Call of Cthulhu and At the Mountains of Madness (Fantastic Fiction) give you all the prehistoric civilisations you could want... though not.... human. Tekeli-li!

Posted on 24 Feb 2014 14:00:50 GMT
Ged says:
I did not suggest Sitchin be taken as Gospel. Just an entertaining read on the requested subject. He was, however an order of magnitude above von Daniken.
See also Civilization One by Knight & Butler. Great fun and food for thought.
A quick word about Nibiru though. The failed encounter of 2012 was not Nibiru. Two prophecies got mixed-up. Nibiru is allegedly still about 1200 years away. Apparently deep sky imaging has noted something in roughly the right place, but it's too far away to be labelled anything more than a "Dark Object" at the moment.
It's worth noting though that millions of people accept certain books as fact that contain far more outlandish theories than Sitchin suggested.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2014 15:11:18 GMT
Anita says:
"...millions of people accept certain books as fact that contain far more outlandish theories than Sitchin suggested."

True. Doesn't make Sitchin any more reliable though. There are lots of people who believe in the weirdest things. We have a couple on the forum, too. Doesn't make *any* of that true.

You didn't suggest Sitchin as entertaining read though. You said, quote: "Pre-history theorising at its best." I can agree about entertaining read, depends on what you find entertaining. About pre-history theorising at its best - not so much.

In any case Sitchin's works and ideas have been rejected by scientists, and not without a reason.

You know, when some "prophecy" fails, faithful believers always say: ahh, there was a mistake, it will happen later. Just had a look at some pre-2012 pages concerning Nibiru. Oh yeah, so many secrets revealed... :) And *all* of them mysteriously went quiet afer December 2012...

Look - I'm a bit interested in astronomy and am a bit in contact with astronomers. So my claim that Nibiru doesn't exist is based on those. You say it moved 1200 years away (after it didn't whack us). Mind giving some reference about that? Apart from Sitchin and the likes, I mean. And, by the way, how a dark object that far away has been noticed? Do you know the methods how exoplanets are found? Just curious.

I'll leave any comments on Lloyd Pye for anyone who knows of him. I don't, except a short look at Wiki page

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2014 19:29:05 GMT
M. Helsdon says:
"A quick word about Nibiru though. The failed encounter of 2012 was not Nibiru. Two prophecies got mixed-up. Nibiru is allegedly still about 1200 years away."

There are no "prophecies" except those made up recently to gull the gullible, and there's no planet Nibiru (except when the name relates to Jupiter). The person who invented it had no concept of orbital mechanics or how a planet looping in through the Inner Solar System every few thousand years would have a marked effect on the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars... Instead all the orbits of the Inner Solar System can be seen to have been stable for millions of years.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2014 21:46:36 GMT
Anita says:
However I did get curious what Ged there meant by "Dark Object" and how on earth he (she?) knows that whatever stands for Nibiru is 1200 years away. Even if it is completely made up, possibly it *is* based on something?

First thing that comes to mind is Tyche, but I'm a bit wary even to mention it. Maybe it also doesn't exist. It has been calculated (the very idea is based on oddities in orbital patterns of comets), not noticed, it is farfarfar away in the Oort cloud, and it has never been in the Solar system before, NB, *if* it exists at all. And it's surely not *just* 1200 years away. If Voyager is ever to cross the Oort cloud, it will take it 12,000 years to reach the edge, so ten times more than 1200. It may be 24,000 years though. Or more... so what is the speed of this approaching guest? The Voyager isn't that slow either... nearly 60,000 km/h, don't remember exactly. So even being hypothetical Tyche doesn't seem to fit the bill.

?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Feb 2014 22:54:56 GMT
M. Helsdon says:
"First thing that comes to mind is Tyche, but I'm a bit wary even to mention it. Maybe it also doesn't exist. It has been calculated (the very idea is based on oddities in orbital patterns of comets), not noticed, it is farfarfar away in the Oort cloud, and it has never been in the Solar system before, NB, *if* it exists at all."

If Tyche exists it would have a very long orbit, and never come into the inner Solar System. And even if it were a dim brown dwarf companion (usually given the name Nemesis) at most it would cause comets to fall into the inner Solar System. A year or so ago there were the usual conspiracy sites claiming the secret telescope in Antarctica was watching the approach of Nibiru, because it couldn't be seen from anywhere but the South Pole - which was nonsensical, because the telescope in Antarctica is a radio telescope, and unless an object was touching noses with Antarctica, it would be sufficiently far away that the numerous telescopes in Australia, South America etc. could see it.

Nibiru is a fantasy with numerous variants, and some websites claim to have pictures of it, which are actually of something else, and very distant.

Posted on 5 Mar 2014 21:12:43 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 5 Mar 2014 22:21:38 GMT
M. Helsdon says:
"Here are some other scholarly, well researched books on our "real" history on Earth:"

Neither scholarly nor well researched. Pure fantasy pseudoscience.

In reply to an earlier post on 6 Mar 2014 02:28:33 GMT
Ronald Craig says:
"the 'official, anti-ET' theory our planet is locked into"

Except for intelligent, thoughtful people like you, right?

LOL

Posted on 13 Mar 2014 14:30:22 GMT
Here are online sources for Ancient Civilization stories:

http://ancientplanet.blogspot.com/

http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/

http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/search/label/Early%20Humans#.UyHA484nr4Y

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2014 15:01:41 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Mar 2014 15:02:25 GMT
Ronald Craig says:
"Here are online sources for Ancient Civilization stories"

Huh? They're BOTH (the last two are the same subdomain) Blogger sites about archaeology "stories" = news items and contributions by academics and student researchers.

What does either have to do with fictional stories like those sought by the OP?

Alas, the quest for relevance continues!

Posted on 13 Mar 2014 15:09:04 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2014 15:18:57 GMT
Ronald Craig says:
Don't assume that anyone with an interest in any topic is waiting breathlessly for you to find and post links for them, Marilyn.

Simply posting links is not contributing anything to the discussion. It's just crying out, "Look at me!"
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