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Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?


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Initial post: 24 Nov 2013 18:35:26 GMT
Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?

In a discussion of God's murder of Adam and Eve, a Christian said the following.

"My understanding is that they were created innocent with the hope of the reward for life if they obeyed and the consequence of death if they didn't."

What this Christian said I believe is true Christian dogma and tradition.

I believe that it basically shows Christians with characters or egos that want to be or will settle for perpetual slavery.
As Paul says, be a slave to sin or a slave to God.

My reply was basic and true to his, ---- Obey or die, statement.

"IOW. Be my slave and do as you are told or die."

If true, then who in their right mind would or should ever want to be a Christian?

Do Christians want to be free men and women or slaves to a God who creates us ill and demands we be well, ----- or suffer his punishment of death?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmArHBW9ns

Was man created to be a slave and to obey or die?

The sin of Eve and Adam was to decide to be educated and wise instead of just slaves to ignorance.

Were Adam and Eve murdered by neglect by a callous God just because they wanted their eyes opened and to exercise the free will that Christians say God gave us?

God and his --- Obey or Die --- says that Christians are to be slaves forever.

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Nov 2013 19:07:03 GMT
Being a slave to sin doesn't sound so bad.

Posted on 24 Nov 2013 19:16:45 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 Nov 2013 19:17:44 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 Nov 2013 19:18:48 GMT
W R

I enjoy doing sin.
Most people do or they would not bother.

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Nov 2013 23:38:15 GMT
Does God and his --- Obey or Die law--- say that Christians are to be slaves forever?

If not, when does your slavery to God or Satan end?

It doesn't start, so ending it is very difficult.

In reply to an earlier post on 25 Nov 2013 05:32:48 GMT
light says:
GIA,

"Were Adam and Eve murdered by neglect by a callous God just because they wanted their eyes opened and to exercise the free will that Christians say God gave us?"

The bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve were murdered, they were banished from the garden. Adam lived to a ripe old age, I don't think the bible mentions how old Eve was when she died.

The calloused God you mention made clothing of skins for Adam and Eve so they wouldn't feel ashamed of their nakedness, the fig leaves that they covered themselves with wouldn't have lasted very long.

take care light

Posted on 25 Nov 2013 13:23:11 GMT
Light

So that is how God brought death to earth. By killing animals for clothing when plant life would have done just as well.

As to his murder of A & E. He intentionally locked away the tree of life and sentence them to death by his actions. That is murder in any court worthy of that name.

All moral people will agree.

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 05:02:07 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 05:02:52 GMT
light says:
GIA,

No where does it say that God murdered animals for the skins, in Jewish mysticism it is said that Adam and Eve were spiritual beings before they ate from the tree and after that they received their physical skins.

"As to his murder of A & E. He intentionally locked away the tree of life and sentence them to death by his actions. That is murder in any court worthy of that name."

Well I guess if you consider death after living for over 900 years to be murder......

"So that is how God brought death to earth. By killing animals for clothing when plant life would have done just as well."

I'll bet that you do not have any fig leaves in your wardrobe ;o)

"All moral people will agree."

I think that all moral people would agree that the story is not real.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 09:44:03 GMT
Norm Deplume says:
"No where does it say that God murdered animals for the skins, in Jewish mysticism it is said that Adam and Eve were spiritual beings before they ate from the tree and after that they received their physical skins."

Light, since the story specifies that eating the fruit of the tree would make Adam and Eve like God it implies that Jehovah was corporeal and not spiritual. It also raises the question of why a spiritual being would need to be moulded out of dust, not to mention what a spiritual creature would eat with.

"I'll bet that you do not have any fig leaves in your wardrobe ;o)"

Do you have any cotton or linen clothing?

Posted on 26 Nov 2013 14:07:04 GMT
N D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

Bravo buddy.

Light

Of course it is fiction but you should still not make up your own version. Leave that to Christians. That are better at it.

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 14:19:48 GMT
Bearman says:
Using fig leaves to cover "your modesty" as often depicted with adam and eve, is a really really bad idea. The underside of fig leaves is covered with small fine hairs which are a know irritant, as is the sap from the leaves and tree. Wearing a fig leaf is therefor likely to result in redness, swelling (of an unusable kind), itching, and in severe cases, blistering..... :-0

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 14:34:45 GMT
Stu says:
Ouch, not on my privates thanks Bearman. lol

Posted on 26 Nov 2013 14:48:35 GMT
I can swell without aid thanks.

Adam and Eves first song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soDZBW-1P04

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 14:53:05 GMT
Withnail says:
The fig leaves were an artistic attempt at modesty. In reality Adam and Eve should be depicted in the nip.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 15:01:52 GMT
Stu says:
So they were the first ones to have aids, now we know where it came from god sent it to the world didn't he.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 15:03:58 GMT
Stu says:
Depends which pictures of them u see withnail, in some they are.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 16:29:32 GMT
stu

Who else can create anything. Everything emanated from God. He was all there was in the beginning. Or so we are told.

A lie of course but play along.

Regards
DL

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Nov 2013 16:40:15 GMT
Withnail says:
I will have to do a google search on that. But will need to do it as a "private" search, the wife doesn't like me looking at women in the nip.

Posted on 26 Nov 2013 19:07:16 GMT
Last edited by the author on 26 Nov 2013 19:09:03 GMT
Spin says:
Adam and Eve are always portrayed with belly-buttons and sexual organs...Why? They were not born in the womb and they did not, initially, need sexual organs...If Adam and Eve did in fact exist, they were, physically, very strange creatures...And it makes one wonder how our belly-buttons and sexual organs came about; Did Adam and Eve "evolve" after they left the Garden of Eden?

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2013 03:28:42 GMT
light says:
GIA,

"Of course it is fiction but you should still not make up your own version. Leave that to Christians. That are better at it."

Why not? It's all up for interpretation according to the step someone is on and the culture one lives in. You make up your own version and that seems to be ok.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2013 03:42:50 GMT
light says:
Norm,

I don't think that the point of the story is that Adam and Eve became like God because they ate real food and gained a physical body. They did not really eat physical fruit, they ingested the fruit of knowledge of good and bad, they became all knowing at that point, but only for a moment, then they gained skin/physical being, their oneness with God was lost at that point, they lost their spiritual being and became corporal, they died spiritually.

In Genesis it says that Adam and Eve would surely die the moment they ate from the tree, and so their spiritual being died and they became corporal, atonement was lost.

"Do you have any cotton or linen clothing?"

Yes I do but nothing I have resembles a fig leaf ;o)

"not to mention what a spiritual creature would eat with."

Right, they did not eat physical fruit, they did something which gave them knowledge, who really knows at this point what the story meant thousands of years ago. I don't, I'm speculating from the knowledge that I have right now, my interpretation could change as I come across new information.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2013 03:46:30 GMT
light says:
Bearman,

"The underside of fig leaves is covered with small fine hairs which are a know irritant, as is the sap from the leaves and tree. Wearing a fig leaf is therefor likely to result in redness, swelling (of an unusable kind), itching, and in severe cases, blistering..... :-0"

Is that like poison ivy? When I visited Germany many years ago my mom told me not to touch this one certain bush because it's leaves would burn me. I wanted to see for myself so I touched it very lightly and sure enough my finger felt like it was burning. Do you know what type of bush this is? I don't have anything like that where I live.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2013 03:58:56 GMT
Last edited by the author on 27 Nov 2013 04:14:35 GMT
light says:
Spin,

"If Adam and Eve did in fact exist, they were, physically, very strange creatures...And it makes one wonder how our belly-buttons and sexual organs came about"

More strange than one could imagine. Jewish mysticism says that Adam and Eve were originally hemorphadites. Before they became a physical being they were male/female. The bible mentions that when Eve ate from the tree Adam was with her. God separated them and took Eve from Adam's side. Maybe the penis was a part that got stretched because it didn't let loose of the other half and didn't divide evenly, hahahaha ;o) Thus the creation of the male sexual organ. Eve gained breasts because of the swelling effect the fig leaf had on her chest ;o)

There is a mystery that is mentioned in 3 different books of the bible, about when men and women get married two flesh become one, they will cling to each other, (like they were before they became physical beings.)

Ok that's enough fun for now.

In reply to an earlier post on 27 Nov 2013 08:38:08 GMT
Bearman says:
Was it a stinging nettle Light?
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