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The Universe existed before, or at the same time, as "God"...


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Initial post: 21 Dec 2013 19:12:05 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 11:17:45 GMT
Technically, light can exist without a medium to travel in, but it can't travel.

Also God's first thought was the heavens (i.e. universe) and the Earth. His second thought was light (verse 3). So there was a medium through which light could travel when he created.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 15:22:56 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 16:10:49 GMT
Withnail says:
And then he said, Let there be RAWK!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 18:29:44 GMT
Actually it does - it refers to 'Earth' below our feet and 'Heavens' above our heads.

Posted on 23 Dec 2013 18:44:07 GMT
Tosh says:
Spin,

Define " The Universe ".

Define " existed".

Define " God".

........and you must do all of this without an explanation.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 18:47:57 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 22:00:36 GMT
"it a term referring to what man sees as he looks up to the sky"

So when I look up into the sky and see a star that is 4.5 light years away, Genesis implies that God created it, but he did not create the bit behind it that I cannot see?

I think your literalistic interpretation of 'Heavens' drives your OP. Get a more realistic understanding of what is a fairly vague term and you might have less problems interpreting it.

Regarding the idea of space time, the Bible starts 'in the beginning'. In other words there was nothing before it (temporally). If God did not create time, then, this was not 'in the beginning'.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 22:13:00 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 22:36:38 GMT
On the contrary, you are interpreting God's actions using his words, therefore you need to interpret them realistically and in a way that the original writers would have understood them. If not you can say any stupid thing... as you seem to do.

Posted on 23 Dec 2013 22:38:22 GMT
Tosh says:
Spin,

I do not believe Bronze Age goat herders were capable of understanding the sub-atomic and beyond, the tiny is very strange, I have a problem imagining the 4th dimension, never mind up to 11.

Genesis is no more complex than any other creation myth, they all have beginnings, so freakin what!!

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 22:38:32 GMT
Spin says:
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Posted on 23 Dec 2013 22:43:59 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 22:51:46 GMT
Both light and the medium it travels in are well evidenced, god is completely unevidenced. The myth of Genesis has been entirely dismantled by a few hundred years of scientific empiricism. It doesn't even remotely resemble what we have discovered to be true about the origins of the universe, our planet, or life on our planet. Modern religions from the start sought to suppress science and scientists in order to preserve the biblical myths in genesis at the expense of these truths, from Galileo to Darwin. Many on this very forum still persist with such pointless subjective religious apologetics against a weight of evidence that no reasonable objective person would try to refute.

Posted on 23 Dec 2013 22:54:06 GMT
Last edited by the author on 23 Dec 2013 23:19:15 GMT
Tosh says:
Spin,

Try and grasp the concept of a primitive mind devoid of basic knowledge, an ignorant mind thinks in pretty basic terms, the beginning has no deeper meaning than its basic definition.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 23:04:08 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 23:09:18 GMT
Sheldon, stop living up to your namesake. I'm responding to Spin, who asserts God, my comment relates to light and whether it needs a medium to travel in, regardless of whether that medium exists or existed or not.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 23:12:55 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 23:20:32 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 23:34:15 GMT
I doubt whether any theist proclaims proof of deity by referring to the Bible, except maybe the uneducated ones. All that the Bible does is provide something of God's character.

Truth is truth, but what is truth? Your hedging allows you to spout lies and proclaim them as truth.

In reply to an earlier post on 23 Dec 2013 23:43:53 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 24 Dec 2013 00:12:13 GMT
You're shooting the messenger, it's a common mistake amongst many theists.

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Dec 2013 00:33:02 GMT
Isn't this a 'which came first the chicken or the egg question'? If the Jews source their God from the Bible, from whence did the Bible come from?

I think you will find that Jews, Christians and Muslims think that the Bible came from God (via humans).

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Dec 2013 00:33:59 GMT
The messenger has delivered to the wrong address. What else should be done?

In reply to an earlier post on 24 Dec 2013 00:40:23 GMT
richard says:
do Jews own Bibles? genuine question. sounds a bit wrong. .....................oh okay so they have a Jewish bible which just contains the Hebrew Scriptures. so not the Christian Bible.
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