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Initial post: 13 Mar 2013 23:25:21 GMT
So a new pope, wonder why him?

Might be because 42% of the world Catholics are already his flock. Who knows though he was not a favourite

He is also against contraception, oh well there'll be plenty of babies in Africa, but they wont last long with aids.

also against Gay Marriage, not sure about much else other than he is a big combatant against poverty, hence his name Francis.

What does this mean for the Catholic Church?

any other information on him?

Posted on 13 Mar 2013 23:42:57 GMT
kraka says:
All though i am not a member of the Roman Catholic church i wish all the catholics here every success along with their new Pope.

God Bless..................................................kraka

Posted on 13 Mar 2013 23:49:42 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Mar 2013 23:52:02 GMT
Joe. C says:
To be honest I know absolutely nothing about the new pope other than his name. This is all news to me, so thanks for the info. I'm sure its all we'll be hearing about for the next week.
I will add though; "against contraception", "plenty of babies in Africa" and "he is a big combatant against poverty". Is some what of a contradiction really, something Catholics are all too familiar with. ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Mar 2013 23:56:55 GMT
Well I am just taking it from sky news I dont have the context required at this point

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 00:09:14 GMT
Joe. C says:
Like I said thanks for the info. Excuse me if I came across as picking holes, it wasn't aimed at you. More the new pope, he probably is all three failing to see the contradiction.

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 00:11:41 GMT
No you never came across that way at all, just pointing out my knowledge is very small

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 02:48:29 GMT
Tom M says:
The pope is not against family planning. He is against artificial means of contraception. According to the two major metastudies examining the effectiveness of condoms in the fight against AIDS, the church's position is sound in this. There is no need for articial means of contraception. It is not making the world a better place in any way. The pope supports the poor and those who others would kill at the very beginning of their lives. He is simple and humble man by all accounts.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 08:04:56 GMT
Ian says:
He's against contraception and gay marriage? You don't say? He's not a Catholic is he?

Will we be able to tell the difference between Pope Frankie and Pope Benny? Probably not.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 09:02:16 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Only if you remove yourself from the real world does that argument make sense. Although neither you nor the pope will have much difficulty achieving that mindset.

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 09:30:10 GMT
Wonder what he was doing during the years of the Argentine military junta...?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 09:42:24 GMT
Drew Jones says:
Bullseye.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 09:50:07 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Ha! Very good.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 09:55:00 GMT
Roma says:
Hi Tom I think most Catholics would disagree with this, even those who do follow the Church s teachings and use only natural family planning. There are some methods of artificial birth control that the Church could not allow as these can either prevent conception or can destroy the embryo after conception has occurred. However, if the Church does accept the principle of family planning why not the use of condoms? In addition, condoms would help stop the spread of STDs. Imagine being a married woman having to have sex with a husband she knows is infected. I think that this Pope will soon allow the use of condoms to prevent the spread of disease. Many Catholics will hope he will extend this to include all married couples. The Church s ruling against the use of all but natural family planning is one of the main reasons why so many young married couples no longer attend mass. I wish Pope Francis well and pray for him and for his intentions. To be chosen to be a leader in our times must indeed be a poisoned chalice.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 09:57:38 GMT
Actually... You're wrong.

He was a favourite. He was pipped at the post in the last one by Ratzinger.

Interestingly, apparently he has had only one lung for 50 years.

Of course he has to be against gay marriage... Any Pope has to be! It's the fecking word of God they're protecting, not a satanic orgy...

The fact he is a big fan of St. Francis of Assisi is a mega bonus. Much better kudos for a real modern Christian church than a guy with Nazi associations.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 10:23:09 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
DB - 'I think that this Pope will soon allow the use of condoms to prevent the spread of disease. Many Catholics will hope he will extend this to include all married couples.'

99% of Catholics already use various forms of contraception. What difference will it make if the pope 'allows' their use, or not?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 12:02:22 GMT
I am sure he is but artificial contraception does help fight aids Tom, you can pretenbd to believe in your Faiths position on this all you want and we have all read your manifestos on the subject.

Frankly its just wrong and anyone with half a brain can see that.

Other than that I am sure he is a humble gentle man. I have nothing to say against him as I know nothing about him.

It seems to have been quite a suprise appointment, from listening to the news discussing with Catholic Leaders etc.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 12:05:02 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Mar 2013 12:06:10 GMT
The ones in the first world do anyway, the ones in third world who badly need it do not and thsi are the battlegrounds of the Catholic anti contraception program, its bizzarre, I know several Catholics who ahd no quibbles about using Contraception as they are not stupid enoguh to not see the sense in it.

No one can afford 6 child families these days.

Oh and I have a feeling he is more Ratzinger than any kind of more liberal pope, being a Jesuit he will certainly want to get more involved in politics also.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 13:40:35 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Another poop with a dodgy past involving an extreme right wing government?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 13:41:26 GMT
C. A. Small says:
Karen- in the educated world none, in the uneducated world a lot.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 20:02:27 GMT
athanasius says:
He will not change teaching on contraception or anything else all the cafeteria catholics want him to do..thank God

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 20:05:46 GMT
Last edited by the author on 14 Mar 2013 20:06:23 GMT
Bellatori says:
You are right. Nothing will change. The church will bleeding heart over the poor, the halt and the lame whilst getting richer itself. Women will remain disenfranchised even though they make up 60% of the congregation and appearance will be more important than activity.

Yup... definitely you are right. Nothing will change

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 20:07:19 GMT
Roma says:
Hi Athanasius. I ve never heard of this expression.Where does it come from?

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Mar 2013 20:16:22 GMT
Bellatori says:
"According to the two major metastudies examining the effectiveness of condoms in the fight against AIDS, the church's position is sound in this."

Really. The final summary of the FDA was

"Condoms are clearly effective in decreasing the odds of being infected, but, clearly they are not absolutely effective. It appears, though, that the risk of infection from an HIV viruses making its way through a non-defective, non-compromised condom is de minimis. One, however, should not be entirely sanguine about the effectiveness of condoms under all circumstances."

Which suggests that the Church's position is far from sound. The problem the church has is that if condoms are readily available then they might be used for contraception. It cannot allow this so it has a vested interest (as do you) in rubbishing their use.

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 20:22:41 GMT
The Pope and his stance on birth control is a bad joke; hence why so many Catholics wisely ignore it.

Posted on 14 Mar 2013 21:01:54 GMT
K. Hoyles says:
Good point, I hadn't thought about the third world as benefiting from a change in attitudes.
There was an interesting programme on the radio this morning about a woman who'd interviewed a breakaway group of excommunicated Catholic women who have been ordained (or ordained themselves, I missed the details) as priests. There are only a few hundred or so, but their congregations are growing because of dissatisfaction with archaic attitudes of the women's role within the church, contraception and gay marriage. I'm not convinced they pose too much of a threat to traditional catholicism any time soon, but it suggests a dissatisfaction amongst catholic women and sends a strong message that unless the Vatican keeps up it could lose the support of the power behind the smooth running of the Catholic Church - women.
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