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Where was God, Jesus, Allah or Yahweh when 20 children were murdered at Newtown, Conneticut, US?


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Initial post: 16 Dec 2012 17:08:57 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Dec 2012 17:47:33 GMT
Spin says:
This sad event broke my heart, but it also angered me as it happened at time when the fantasy of the love of a deity is expressed as a reality by folk who will, no doubt, claim that this deity is "testing us".

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 17:56:19 GMT
Jonwin says:
Jesus was and is right in the middle. Thats the whole point of the crucifixion story! i think. We have thsi strange idea that somehow to believe in God or Jesus means thinking they automatically are able to save everyone from harm or disaster. If they did then humanity would not exist as we know it

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:07:18 GMT
Spin says:
jonwin: No. I do not see how the murder of children can be justified by an appeal to religion. If Jesus or God was in the middle of that horror, then they are not as omnipotent as you guys think they are. What purpose is there in allowing the murder of children? If God wants us to change our views about violence, surely he could make an adult kill adults, as religions around the world already do...But then, your religion is based on the views of a man who was willing to kill his own son...

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:20:41 GMT
Bogus Pomp says:
Objection 1) Well, lets look at this more closely, shall we? A being as powerful as the Christian God would NO DOUBT be automatically capable of saving everyone from disaster. That is hardly a strange idea.

Objection 2) The human experience as we know it is good in many ways, but it also entails starvation, disease, painful death, murder, torture, and other nasties. Why should we WANT humanity to exist precisely as we know it?

There's no reasonable excuse for God (if we accept that he is all powerful, loving and fair) to allow such an horrific event to take place.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:23:41 GMT
Alan says:
Jonwin: if as you say "Jesus was and is right in the middle" and yet he did nothing to stop what happened, then weather he exists or not makes little difference. If we are to believe in the bible God seemed to actively interseed at fairly regular intervals, so why not now.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:24:45 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Dec 2012 18:27:18 GMT
Bogus Pomp says:
"What purpose is there in allowing the murder of children? If God wants us to change our views about violence, surely he could make an adult kill adults".

Or, better yet, he could make adults NOT kill anyone at all! Your comment heavily implies that the murder of children is automatically worse than the mudrer of an adult, something which I fail to agree with.

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 18:29:19 GMT
Spin says:
The promise of a better world is nothing compared to the creation of a better world. Politics and Religion do no more than promise...And it is our children who suffer the consequences of these false promises...In the Us if you are physically or mentally ill, the states healthcare firsts asks if you can pay for treattment. If you cannot, they let you wander the streets until you find a weapon and kill someone...If you do not kill yourself with the last bullet, and are caught, arrested and tried, some US States will electrocute you... The US cares only for money and influence...In a few days this atrocity will be forgotten by all except those families whose xmas gifts for thier children remain under the tree...

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 18:31:43 GMT
Poignant, but aren't you the guy forever doing down medical science and the NHS, Spin?

Can't have it both ways.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:39:17 GMT
Spin says:
Ryan: No, you are mistaking me for someone else. I have never opposed medical science or the values underpinning the NHS. The science and politics of medicinal science and Healthcare institutions can be questioned, of course, but I believe in the concept and value of truly universal healthcare..

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 18:52:28 GMT
Spin says:
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Posted on 16 Dec 2012 18:52:39 GMT
Strikes me like a classic case of hypocrisy on your part...

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 18:57:37 GMT
Spin says:
Ryan: Ok. We adults are talking about an atrocity. If you want to slag me off, do it on the thread where you deny not knowing anything about the subject you are opposing and deny that you enjoy posting ad hominem arguments... On this thread, my concern is with the terrible event that has occured, not your desire to engage what can only be called "bitchiness". OK?

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 19:57:30 GMT
Last edited by the author on 16 Dec 2012 20:01:09 GMT
You mean I have a point, you have been caught out, and now you want to escape by any means.

Not happening.

If you want to dish it out, you'd better be able to take it in return. If you can't, you should not be here.

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 20:37:22 GMT
M. RUSSELL says:
A lot of people who are non christian (and even some christians!) are quick to BLAME GOD but forget or are ignorant to the fact that there is a DEVIL, its all in the BIBLE, too long to go into here. GOD did do something....he sent His SON JESUS over 2000 years ago to earth, he took the worlds sins upon himself to the cross, died and rose again so that mankind could be reconciled to God. Many have rejected him and turned away refusing to believe in him or receive him into their hearts. The result of this amongst all the other mayhem, mess and carnage is what we witnessed in Conneticut the other day. Turn to Jesus whilst there is still time and dont blame GOD. TIME IS SHORT PEOPLE.

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 20:41:22 GMT
M. RUSSELL says:
And followimg on from that last post, GOD was right there in the pain with the victims etc, experiencing it all, grieving over it.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 20:43:02 GMT
I don't blame God. Why would I blame a fictional character?

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 20:46:18 GMT
M. RUSSELL says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 21:03:32 GMT
And my point is that it's far more productive to go with reality. God has no part in anything. It's better to find and solve real problems.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 21:05:49 GMT
To use the tragedy in America, to peddle your snake-oil, is despicable.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 21:06:33 GMT
M. RUSSELL says:
yes it is more productive to go with reality...and my reality is that God is real.. It is up to you if you deny Him, we all have free will. I pray that God will reveal himself to you...but dont harden your heart. God bless

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 21:30:08 GMT
Isn't it funny how the media latches onto a medical condition in kind of waves? A while back and every violent crime was being attributed to someone with 'paranoid schitzophrenia', now they've discovered autism they've decided that autistic people commit crimes of violence.

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 21:34:48 GMT
Anyway, I think technically autism is a mental disability not a mental illness.

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 21:38:00 GMT
Additionally, I've heard that diabetes can cause the person to become Jekyll and Hydeish if it's not properly controlled, but no one makes a fuss about that because it's a physical illness not a mental one.

In reply to an earlier post on 16 Dec 2012 21:38:24 GMT
M. RUSSELL says:
what do you mean by that, snake oil?

Posted on 16 Dec 2012 21:42:02 GMT
He means, you are using tragedy to peddle a con.

Some might say he was being too gentle with you.
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