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Initial post: 26 Apr 2014 15:40:08 BDT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
Hi all. I've got this off the I FN love Science website. There is an ongoing argument that god created all things and he is a loving and benevolent god who is our moral guide through life. Please read the following and decide for yourself if god, who created all creatures, created this:


Sea otters are awful. You've probably seen the image macros floating around Facebook, exclaiming over how they hold hands while they sleep to make sure they don't drift apart. Well, that true. But then, they also rape baby seals. As it turns out, sea otters are some of the biggest sickos of the animal kingdom.

It takes a lot of resources to feed an otter - they need to eat approximately 25% of their body weight every single day. When food is in short supply things can get ugly. Some males will hold otter pups hostage until the mother pays a ransom of food to the male.

But they don't just kidnap babies. Sea otters also rape baby seals to death. Male otters will find a juvenile harbor seal and mount it, as if he were mating with a female otter. Unfortunately, part of the mating process involves holding the female's head under water which ultimately kills the seal pups (and over 10% of female otters). For over an hour and a half, the male otter will hold the seal pup in this position, raping it until it is dead. Sometimes when the seal pup dies, it is just let go and the otter will begin to groom itself. Some otters, however, will hang on to the dead pup and continue to rape its dead and decaying corpse for up to a week later.

Sea otters aren't even the scariest otters, believe it or not. In South America 6-foot long river otters still exist. And they hunt in packs.


Posted on 26 Apr 2014 16:01:26 BDT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:

The jewel wasp. Another of god's creations?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 17:28:09 BDT
Next time someone claims something is "unnatural" perhaps we should point out that not everything that is natural is a good model for a self aware intellect to cite as necessarily moral behaviour. You would have to wonder at the idea that this was all thought up, designed, and willed into existence, predation, disease, et all, and that the being responsible was benevolent.

Wayne will be along shortly to tell me that this is not representative of the deity anyone worships.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 17:34:09 BDT
All things dull and ugly
All creatures short and squat
All things rude and nasty
The Lord God made the lot

Each little snake that poisons
Each little wasp that stings
He made their brutish venom
He made their horrid wings

All things sick and cancerous
All evil great and small
All things foul and dangerous
The Lord God made them all

Each nasty little hornet
Each beastly little squid
Who made the spiky urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did

All things scabbed and ulcerous
All pox both great and small
Putrid, foul and gangrenous
The Lord God made them all, Amen

Posted on 26 Apr 2014 17:36:49 BDT
If you really want to see animals at their worst then look at the two pages here...$$hole$-in-animal-kingdom_p2.html

You will need to replace the $ with s to get the web page.

It highlights three very unpleasant mammals


In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 17:44:30 BDT
Try this:

Posted on 26 Apr 2014 17:44:54 BDT
Anita says:
Um, I'm obviously no biologist and my knowledge of biology is somewhere below sea level, but I do believe that every species has it's place in the ecosystem, be it created by God, by nature or by Bradbury and his aliens. Who knows what would happen if we eliminated one? A Sound of Thunder and Other Stories (that's, obviously, by another Bradbury :) and I have in mind the short story of the same title)

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 17:49:24 BDT
Mrs. F. Shaw says:
Of course, but the idea that nature is designed by a benevolent god who allows other creatures to suffer so horribly is laughable. If god actually created these creatures what does that say about the mind of god?

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 17:51:14 BDT
Norm Deplume says:
In my opinion it makes God an Evil Halfwit.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 18:00:35 BDT
Anita says:
"...what does that say about the mind of god?"

Nothing. Either God's mind is too different and not for a human to understand, or there is no God.

Benevolence, again, is a notion which like many moral norms changed through ages. Quite a number of cultures had initiation rites which included torture or even mutilation, and that was considered benevolent. We would see that worse than barbaric

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 18:01:33 BDT
Yes but you are not religious, Norm. If you were you would be able to see the difference between all those lovey dovey, warm and cuddly creatures that GOD created and the horrible bunch that were perverted by evil Satan.

Of course remember this phrase, commonly misquoted, from Isaiah 11:6.

And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together.

... which in the real world strikes me as the wolf, the leopard and the lion have gone out with a pack lunch provided...

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 19:09:14 BDT
"Ommatokoita feeds off the eyeballs of the Greenland shark, a shark so bada$$ it will eat a god****ed polar bear. The parasite burrows itself into the shark's eye and then just anchors itself there, drinking delicious eye-jelly. It sits there, eating eyeball, for the rest of its life. Just more proof that the ocean is literally made of horror."

Benevolent creator my a$$

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 19:16:34 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Apr 2014 19:20:36 BDT
A sick twisted sadist who happens to be omniscient and omnipotent. Why intelligent people want it to be true is mind boggling. The whole notion is terrifying.

In reply to an earlier post on 26 Apr 2014 19:19:30 BDT
Last edited by the author on 26 Apr 2014 19:21:24 BDT
"Benevolence, again, is a notion which like many moral norms changed through ages."

True for humans, and all evolved life, but for a perfect eternal deity it seems illogical. It's also worth noting how repulsive a mere human intellect finds this kind of suffering, to claim it was conceived designed and created by a being that had limitless benevolence just isn't even remotely credible. I mean are we claiming god is less benevolent than a species he created?
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