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sould the death penalty be bought back ?


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Initial post: 13 Feb 2014 14:51:04 GMT
Stu says:
Quite recently on the forum there has been posters mentioning the death penalty, merely in their posts. What I am asking to you all is would you want the death penalty bought back for murder in particular?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:02:09 GMT
Anita says:
Was it sold, Stu?

Sorry! Couldn't resist. I know you can't edit the thread title, but you suggest to buy it back in your post too :)

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:02:43 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: If the considered and intentional taking of a life is a crime then the State which condones capital punishment, the considered and intentional taking of a life, is guilty of a crime.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:13:32 GMT
Stu says:
What I was asking spin would you support the government bringing it back for murder?

Posted on 13 Feb 2014 15:17:34 GMT
Dan Fante says:
Some people deserve it without question (to my mind) but I'm not sure of its effectiveness in a society like ours. I think it would end up a bit like the USA where people spend years and years on death row with the lawyers being the only winners.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:24:06 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: no, I would not.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:34:02 GMT
Stu says:
I wonder how many would if it went to a countrywide vote spin? do you think it would be 50-50%?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:37:59 GMT
Spin says:
Stu: I doubt the nation will convert to the idea that the death penalty is a moral action when it is at moral and military war with folk who believe stonings and be-headings are the demand of a god who hates adultery and homosexuality.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 15:41:39 GMT
Dan Fante says:
You can't equate the actions of the government with the will of the people when most people oppose(d) those actions.

Posted on 13 Feb 2014 16:13:00 GMT
Last edited by the author on 13 Feb 2014 16:14:52 GMT
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/29/death-penalty-countries-world

The article makes for interesting reading. If you look at the ist of countries and then ask yourself which of these would I actually want to live in (ignoring Bradders who would probably say Saudi Arabia though noticeably he is not emigrating!) the answer is probably limited to the US and even then you would want to pick your state carefully.

I can only think of one reason to bring back the death penalty and that is economics. It is cheaper than keeping someone in prison for the rest of their (natural!) life.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row indicates that in the US the acerage time is increasing and is now 178 months (about 15 years).

"According to a May 2004 report by the Sentencing Project, a Washington, D.C., research and advocacy group, average time served by those sentenced to life in prison has also gone up, from 21.2 years in 1991 to 29 years by 1997. The study authors emphasize that "In contrast to popular imagery which sometimes portrays lifers as serving short prison terms, the average life sentence today results in nearly three decades incarceration.""

EDIT -
In the UK the average term served by a mandatory lifer was stated to be 16 years according to a parliamentary question.

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 16:15:23 GMT
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Spin says:
Dan: Are you saying that our government and its ideals is not voted for by the population?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 16:20:27 GMT
Dan Fante says:
You made specific mention of military war and my comments related to the fact that most people opposed those wars (to the extent 2million people marched on London). Therefore, you can't reasonably use the examples of the UK government taking the country into wars in Afghanistan and/or Iraq as something by which you can judge the will of the people.

Now I've cleared that up, are you saying the UK population voted for those conflicts?

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 17:02:00 GMT
Spin says:
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 17:03:36 GMT
Bearman says:
Yeah - general strikes really worked for the miners

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 17:09:11 GMT
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Spin says:
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Posted on 13 Feb 2014 18:03:02 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 19:55:40 GMT
Kleist says:
Do you mean you are against them in months without a 'J' in them whereas in others you are not against them i.e. you change your 'mind' in these months, or do you mean you are against people being put to death in these months and not in the others?

It is not very clear.

Posted on 13 Feb 2014 20:02:08 GMT
I read somewhere that there is a definite suggestion that the death penalty in china produces a lot of useful organs for donation... I wonder if they execute to order? There is a very unpleasant SciFi story that assumes just that. Reefs of Space (Penguin science fiction)

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In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 20:44:00 GMT
Kleist says:
Yes, of course Slime. So does the GOMS BELIEVE that they should not be put to death on months without a 'J' in them, or does he hold this belief only in months without a 'J' in them?

I think you negatively hallucinated (te he he) my question. (Nah, just didn't understand).

In reply to an earlier post on 13 Feb 2014 20:46:36 GMT
Kleist says:
Incidentally (and for the sake of a laugh) when you refer to your 'internal neuro-semantic state' (te he he) Who does the referring and what is it internal to?

Posted on 13 Feb 2014 23:24:18 GMT
Child murderers in particular have no place in society, but there have been to many miscarriages of justice over the years. Condemning an innocent to death is to big a risk to take.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2014 06:23:12 GMT
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In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2014 06:47:01 GMT
Kleist says:
Thanks Sime. You wouldn't believe how flattered I am.

In reply to an earlier post on 14 Feb 2014 09:11:08 GMT
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Dan Fante says:
China is, I suppose, the opposite end of the scale to the US, where, instead of having people on death row for years, they will execute people within weeks of sentences (I read about a case of a child murderer where this happened recently). I'm not comfortable with either position as it is inhumane to my mind for someone to be awaiting executing for decades. Richard Ramirez (who deserved to die, in my opinion) had been on death row in California for 20-odd years when he died of cancer. I'm not sure how that is justice being served. In China, in the case I mentioned, you don't even have the time for an appeals process and there's no way that would work in a judicial system like ours. On top of that EU human rights legislation wouldn't allow it anyway.
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